Monsey, NY – Two convicted child offenders have been charged under a new law that prevents them from living near schools and other places where children gather, Ramapo police said yesterday
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Yoel O. 26, was charged with violating the law because he lived within 1,000 feet of a private elementary school and public park.
He was arrested Thursday and told to return Aug. 16 to Ramapo Town Court.
Betzalel D. 21, was arrested yesterday and charged with violating the law by living within 1,000 feet of a child care facility. He was told to return Aug. 27 to Town Court.
The charges are a class B misdemeanor. A conviction on a first offense brings a fine of up to $500 and up to three months in jail.
Ramapo police said they had no reason to believe that either man was currently involved in illegal activity at their residences [journalnews]
To the one who complained about
the parent failing to watch their
child so he/she would not be a victim, BOTH – the parent and molestor- should be held accountable! Nevertheless, the
failure of a parent to protect
their child does not give the
pervert any right to take advantage
and molest anyone.
To the Rov who said to ask a Sheilah, okay, I, bli neder will
do so. I’m sure my Rov will say
it’s permissible, if not a MITZVAH, to publish their names!
are any of these guys married? oh I pray not!
gimme a break. The very nature of child molesters is they NEVER get over the urge to act. The only kind of help they can avail themselves of is to CONTROL the inner urge. Ask any therapist, frum or otherwise to verify. Tshuva is not a relevant subject here.
If someone’s sick – He belongs in the hospital for as long as the doctor thinks…
He’s sick – so he’s gotta be chutz lamchneh – untill he finds his basherte…
I absolutely do not agree with shifting him to another community. But, what I said was that he should not be living in an area teaming with little kids. Monsey, Flatbush, Boro Park, Lakewood come to mind. If he is going to live in the NY area, he should live somewhat away from the Klal. If he lives out of town, again he should obey the law with regard to all schools, but additionally he should not be “among” the frum Klal there or anywhere. Any Rav, Shul that will have anything to do with him must know about him first. This is the responsibility of the Rav that knew him to begin with and the family if they can be relied upon.
To the so called RAV who said
“As a Rav I coul tell you, that you need to ask a sheilah if indeed you may print names! As Yidden we know and believe in Teshuvah, and yes, Teshuvah stands above the law.”
1. I don’t know what kind of RAV you are (today anyone can call himself a ‘rav’) but according to my Torah ; Tshuvah mainly helps BTW the sinner and G-D -‘Beth Din Shel Maleh’, NOT “Beth Din Shel Mateh” , you can still believe in Tshuvah but not on someone else’s CHESHBON we still got to do what we have to (unless he’s really proven himself …. As the Rambam expresses it : AD sheyaid alev yodai etc…….)
2. How about the victims he messed their lives up; did they forgive him ; so how does his Tshuvah help ;’bein Adam leChaveroi”!!
3. I don’t think you would want your children next to him !!
There are too many stories of molesters moving from one town to the next, to go on molesting – since noone wants to “say Loshon Hora and warn the next victims.”
There was a bochur who was moved out of an in-town city to Savannah, GA because of his history of abusing little boys. Unfortunately, he married a young woman from a nice family – but, hadn’t recovered. The kallah wasn’t told anything. By the second year or so of their marriage, he’s arrested for a new crime (set up to meet minor over internet) on a federal warrant with a long prison sentance.
There’s a guy just arrested in Saint Louis, apparently moved there to “start over,” b/c of prior crimes.
August 13, 2007 1:40 PM
You’re Right!
But… Obay the laws.
and for your own sake “move to a different community”
Ok. Do you want a scenario that makes sense? How about this. Person molests in the manner that these two did–again, read the evidence, get to know the reality of the crime here–and is sent to jail for an extended period of time. Person then comes back to live away from densely populated frum neighborhoods. Works in environments with adults only. Attends Yamim Noraim services with a supervising adult–not his family member, possibly a parole officer, or davens at home. This goes on for a long time and all the while he is checking in regularly with psychologist, rav, parole officer. Maybe learning one on one with a Rav that knows the details. Then psychologist, rav, parole officer get to weigh in some time later if he gets to date and how that is handled and how his future wife will come to know about his time in jail (which in itself can be poisonous in many ways). How about that scenario? He can still do Teshuva, breathe, eat, even find enjoyment in life as long as it is healthy.
“Do we never allow shoplifters into stores?
So a molester is like a shoplifter? This is it, people, this is the problem. A molester is not a shoplifter is not a tax cheater…The consequences are not the same. Oy.
“Aside from protecting our children, What does Torah say about allowing people to do Tshuvah?”
I am confused. Teshuvah is a personal act. It can be done on a street populated with kids in Monsey or in a warehouse out of New York somewhere. Teshuvah can be done at home alone. Your home could be somewhere less convenient for you to sin. That is what the law is saying to these people. And if you are frum and if you want to do Teshuvah, I don’t think that necessitates your attending a Minyan full of preteen and teenage boys or being around young girls (depending on your particular offense–you should, by the way, read their offenses in the Rockland Journal or online). From the moment you molest, your Shabbosim, Yamim Tovim, job, school, entire life should change. You sit in jail (that’s if the Klal was lucky enough that you got caught) and then you live an extremely changed life. And you get to live and you get to keep Mitzvos if you want to, but not with everyone else and not the same as before.
Aside from protecting our children, What does Torah say about allowing people to do Tshuvah? I know there were places we sent people who murdered. Is this the same kind of offense? What do the real Ravs say about it? (btw…I also don’t want them near my kids, but I what DO we do with people like this). Do we never allow shoplifters into stores?
Anonymous said…
Anon 9:23
If your rav thinks that it is ok to ignore the law for teshuvah, please tell your rav that he could wind up in jail for obstruction of justice.
August 13, 2007 9:31 AM
All he questioned was if your allowed to print their names. Nothing he said obstructs justice
To anonymous 12:15
You obviously are not a mother. It is not humanly possible to watch your children every second. A 13 year old child SHOULD BE ABLE to walk down the street, mid-day, in the center of B.P. without worrying about being kidnapped and molested. Wake up and smell the coffee!! The world we live in has many dangers, and we CANNOT, try as we might, protect our children from all the ills of society. Be it the internet (even if we dont have it in out own homes), be it molesters, perverts, sick individuals, be it the dirty magazines displayed in the pharmacies. We must try 100% to protect our children and then we must pray to Ha-Shem that HE, who is the true protector, keeps us ALL safe from ALL harm.
To Anon 10:23 & 10:24 WELL SAID. These perverts damaged their victims for life, they should pay for it with some “inconveniences”, like living in golus from their families, Rebbes, communities.
9:23 As a “Rav” I coul tell you.
What is a “rav” doing on the internet?????????????????? ha?????
Many molestations are committed by people the child knows. And don’t forget that Yeshiva and Shul provide opportunities for molesters. I agree that parents need to be more vigilant, but molesters should not be allowed to live in frum communities heavily populated by children. Shul is a big problem. Many mothers send their boys to shul with Tatty and Tatty has no idea what the boys are doing while he is davening. And mothers cannot police the Yeshiva so what we need to do is publicize and separate the offenders of all ages from the Klal. Offenders do not stay in the Klal. They are on a different track and can grow in their lives, but on their own track away from others. And for Shidduchim, when Yenta asks why is Shloimy living in Chatanooga and only comes home occasionally and davens B’Yichidus and learns one on one with a Rebbe instead of Yeshiva, she may find out that he molested someone, sat in jail and she and her parents get to say no or at least to make an informed decision for her and her future children.
How about caring enough about your kids never to let them out of your sight wherever? How about people who let their kid play in front of their house in BP and assume because its a “frum block” that you can stop protecting your kid? Would these Mommies leave their precious pearl necklaces sitting on the porch so frivolously attended? START CARING ABOUT YOUR KIDS AND IT WON’T MATTER WHO LIVES NEAR YOU!!!!
those of us that have children should be checking this web-site every couple of months to make sure we don’t get any unwanted neighbours…
http://www.nsopr.gov/
The reason it is not being addressed is that there are much more important issues to get concerned about: concerts, internet, sheitals, bugs in the water, cell phones, hiking, and light colored straw hats!
I don’t understand your question. We have this within our community because we have every evil within us. We are human. So the best thing for the Frum world to do is start recognizing our frailties and differentiate clearly between them. Not all Aveiros are the same, not all evils have the same consequences for us in this world. Our actions have consequences for ourselves and the Klal. Molestation which is a cyclical offense must be addressed differently than cheating on your taxes. We have it all in our communities and if we face everything we will all be better off. There is a notion called the Klal. It is not just about Tomchei Shabbos. We need to take care of each other and recognize what exists in our communities and how to help others the right way.
The question that I have is why do we have this within our communnities? there is something that is not being addressed by the rabonim and mechanchim if there are child offenders of such young ages around.
Oh, and if you really do feel sorry for them and wish them well, then think how much better it would have been for the perpetrators if the people (perhaps a parent, Rebbe, older Bachur in Yeshiva)who originally molested THEM and set them on this path had not been allowed to blend in??? What if they themselves had not been molested in the first place because their molesters had been publicized and ostracized? That would be the real act of Rachmanus for them, to have saved them in the first place and here you have the opportunity to save others by keeping them away and you choose to be completely without Rachmanus for the children and women who may marry them. Should they get married and have kids? I don’t know. But I do know that nothing at all should come easily and not with the Karban of others.
Here’s another evil. Why are the two of them back in Monsey? So that they can score a Shidduch? So that they can have a chance at a decent life? Sorry. When you molest, statistically you will do this again and even if you do your Teshuva, your potential spouse gets to know your history before she marries you. The young women MUST be told and you must not blend back in!!!! No Mitzvah here, negotiator, to help a person who has a serious problem to be “like everyone else” if it means more victimization. And, I don’t necessarily mean the kids. I mean the women they will marry. We frum Jews and our Rabanim must understand the grave act of molestation and the fact that it and issues such as mental illness should not be swept under the rug so that these men can marry. I am B”H not a victim, believe it or not, but I know that there are wonderful frum girls out there duped into marrying “normal” guys who are not. So, tell me again, why these two get to live in Monsey with everyone else?
Unless you have seen the effects, psychological, emotional, on children who are abused by adults, you can not begin to grasp the enormous evil and rishis that is involved in acts of this sort. People are scarred for life; innocent people who didn’t deserve such a thing have problems with marriage, and other adjustment issues. When an adult abuses a young child, take the adult and send him to a distant galus.
Like I said, if you molest a kid, you don’t get to live near everyone else including the registered playgroups. You kind of have to change your lifestyle. You can live a mile from shul and walk a little extra on shabbos. You can live near the prison you stayed at and help the other inmates, then check in with your psychologist, Rav, family regularly and spend Shabbos and Yom Tov with family–preferably not in the child-filled Monsey neighborhood where you molested someone. You don’t get to go on with your life as if nothing happened. Get it???
Here’s the deal. You molest a kid, you don’t get to go back to the “alta heim” and live near all the unregistered playgroups. You don’t get to go back to Monsey. Maybe you go somewhere where there are less frum Jews and you have to walk a mile to Shul and you have to drive to Minyan on a weekday. Maybe you go volunteer in a prison and you live near it and spend Shabbosim at relatives to be near the Minyan on Shabbos. Maybe you live a little in your own Galus to protect others. And you check in with your psychologist, your Rav, your family…but you don’t get to blend back in. You don’t get to have the normal life again. You just get to live. How about that?
wait for the facts said…
I know one of them, that really was trying to straighten out. It’s possible that he didn’t know that within one fifth of a mile of where he lives, someone opened a play group. I would wait before passing judgement on this one. Kolko, and repeat offenders aside, he speaks openly about it and says it was a really stupid thing to to do. I don’t think he wants to go back after spending the last three years “inside”.
Are you for real? if Bezalel live on 11 Grove this is close to Derech Emes playgroup and school, this playgroup exists in the area long before this fellow came to 11 Grove, so get real, and lets focus to protect our kids and our community.
“it was a really stupid thing”
It was a STUPID THING TO DO?????
Stupid things don’t get you three years inside. Stupid things don’t get you a registered sex offender. Stupid things don’t make you a menace to society.
Your life doesn’t get to be convenient after doing what you do. You kind of have to live away from people and find a way to make sure that you are obeying the law. The other offenders weren’t on this list of violators. There were non-Jewish offenders mentioned over the last few months and it seems that they are not violating the terms.
No matter where you live in Monsey – your always living within 1000 feet of some Playgroup – Most of them aren’t even legal.
I know one of them, that really was trying to straighten out. It’s possible that he didn’t know that within one fifth of a mile of where he lives, someone opened a play group. I would wait before passing judgement on this one. Kolko, and repeat offenders aside, he speaks openly about it and says it was a really stupid thing to to do. I don’t think he wants to go back after spending the last three years “inside”.
Rav of 9:23 what’s your name? Yudi Kolko?
The problam is that those Rav’s to begin with, do not protect or do anything about predetors.
to ann. 9:23 if you are a rav it seems to me you are not involved in whats going on in todays world. how would you be talking if one of theme abused your chiled?
Anon 9:23
If your rav thinks that it is ok to ignore the law for teshuvah, please tell your rav that he could wind up in jail for obstruction of justice.
if you are so Curious to know the two names go to the jurnal news and look it up.
One of them just finnished his sentence in prison it seemed he was on the write track, I guess a sick mind is always a sick mind or he happenes to just live there……
As a Rav I coul tell you, that you need to ask a sheilah if indeed you may print names! As Yidden we know and believe in Teshuvah, and yes, Teshuvah stands above the law.
It is our duty to report to the authorities any criminal wrongdoing in this aspect and thereby have these individuals listed in this type of registry for our children’s sake.
Print their last names. Why do they deserve protection? We need to know who they are and where they are so we can protect our children.
Keep on top of these child abusers, do not let them near any children for any reason.
kick the perverts out of monsey