Jerusalem – Charedi Media: Photo Of Livni Not In Our Papers, Neither Her Name Tzipi

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    Jerusalem -If it relies solely on its newspapers for information, the haredi public will not even know what the next prime minister looks like, Arye Frankel, a veteran haredi ad man at the Gal BSD agency, said Sunday.

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    “You simply will not see a picture of Tzipi Livni in the haredi newspapers,” said Frankel. “And in some cases you will not even see her first name,” he added.

    A senior editor at Hamodia, the oldest haredi daily, controlled by the Ger Hassidic sect, said that in his paper the name Tzipi would not be mentioned.

    “We might write ‘Mrs. T. Livni’ or just ‘Mrs. Livni,’ but the name Tzipi is too familiar. It is not acceptable to address a woman using her first name, especially when she goes by a nickname,” he said.

    The editor said that the policy regarding Golda Meir, the previous female prime minister, had been different.

    “Golda was an institution. She was a respected figure with decades of political experience before she became prime minister. But in recent years there has been depreciation in the level of politicians,” he explained.

    Avraham Kroizer, a haredi public relations strategist who works with Eyal Arad, Livni’s PR adviser, said that different papers had different policies regarding the use of women’s first names.

    “Hamodia is the most conservative,” said Kroizer. “But in other papers you will find ‘Tzipi.’ But no haredi paper will publish Livni’s picture. Graphic artists will blur the faces of women that do make their way into pictures that the papers want to use. They will also blur pictures of television sets or other items deemed improper to be seen by the wider haredi public.

    “Photoshop [the graphic art program] works overtime in a haredi newspaper,” he explained.

    As Hamodia’s editor put it, “For us the newspaper is an educational device that not only informs but also teaches people how to behave. If it detracts from yiddishkeit, it won’t be in our paper.”


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    Robroy560
    Robroy560
    15 years ago

    So if their blot her face out, can she cut off their welfare payments?

    This is ridiculous… sounds like the censorship days in the fromer USSR and what goes on in Cuba & North Korea.

    ex frummie
    ex frummie
    15 years ago

    “Golda was an institution. She was a respected figure with decades of political experience before she became prime minister. But in recent years there has been depreciation in the level of politicians,” he explained”

    Oh please do you really expect us to believe that? the real reason is that since then ,chareidi standards have radicalized(much like extremist muslims)-what was acceptable then is frowned upon now………

    Just call a spade a spade, the yated and hamodia are just propoganda tools nothing more -if you read those papers and expect to be well educated youre way misinformed .There is a limit to how much they can insult our intelligence(I hope)

    THEKOHEN
    THEKOHEN
    15 years ago

    TO EX FRUMMIE

    DO TESHUVA NOW!!!! YOU CAN STILL GET IN THERE.YOU DIDN’T MISS THE BOAT YET.

    A GOT GEBENTCHT IN ZEESSE YOUR.

    ex frummie
    ex frummie
    15 years ago

    ok i will

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Ex frummie, just for the record the hamodiah is by far more superior in news and knowledge and proffesional journalism versus the dirty jewish press and all the other anti religous publications out there. Why are you so bitter ? Why cant you respect the frum even though you were somehow corrupted in your thinking via your frum upbringing. Just repent brother before its too late. You will be aufully sorry if you didnt. Your life wont last forever and your so called enjoyment in this world will come to an end and you will eventually have to face the Almighty and answer to your evil sins.

    Gefilte Fish
    Gefilte Fish
    15 years ago

    ex frummy might be right to a certain extent, but if she would call herself tziporah instead of tzippy her name might have passed the censorship.

    shneur z
    shneur z
    15 years ago

    they meant golda looked like a male and acted like a male

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I wouldn’t expect anything less from Hamodia, in particular. I’m a ba’al teshuva. Made my way from the Jewish Week to the Jewish Press to Hamodia. My days reading Hamodia lasted four weeks! I never could have conceived that “in the name of not publishing lashon hara,” they would leave out key points to a story or occurrence. Reading Hamodia was simply not reading the news. It was the whitewashed version of the news. To leave out key facts of important stories. I couldn’t believe it!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Anonymous 7:28, read the above post. Hamodia’s journalism is far from professional in many cases. It is dishonest to be quite frank for the above stated reasons. I buy a respectable paper, the Jewish Press.

    frummie
    frummie
    15 years ago

    Well at least these papers should have a sports section that follows male sports teams like the New York Yankels and the New York Shmutz

    Very Frum.
    Very Frum.
    15 years ago

    Ex Frummie is 100% correct.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “Golda was an institution. She was a respected figure with decades of political experience before she became prime minister. But in recent years there has been depreciation in the level of politicians,” he explained”

    Let me rephrase that: Ms. Livni is attractive, Golda Meir was not so much. Why can’t they just say it?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why don’t they just photoshop a veil onto her face.

    This is the first rediculous thing I heard this week.

    The Shadow
    15 years ago

    “This is the first rediculous thing I heard this week.”

    That’s only because the week just started. 😉

    mikey
    mikey
    15 years ago

    Its scary to read that the Haredi press is, for lack of a better word, immature or perhaps juvenile.

    And to be a propaganda machine makes it disgusting – no wonder so many Haredi are misinformed.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “….depreciation in the level of politicians”

    Yeah, there are more politicians defying good judgement and common sense and appeasing these embarassing fanatics for votes.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I’m pretty sure that TZIPI Livni doesn’t really care what the chareidi papers do.

    As a religious (but not chareidi) person, I sometimes disagree with Ex-Frummie, but he is right when he says that the standards have changed.

    Expatriate Owl
    Expatriate Owl
    15 years ago

    Even those of us who stick with the charedi newspapers must grudgingly admire the prescience of the other newspapers. Time and again, they manage to anticipate the news before it happens, which is why you read about it in the other newspapers a week or two before the news stories appear in Hamodia or Yated.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    As I read these posts, I can’t help but come to tears. To think that we are a mere couple of days before we stand in judgment before the Almighty, and people still hold firm to the secular logic.

    Robroy560, Anon 7:44, Anon 7:50, Anon 9:15, Mikey, please, please I beg of you to just think clearly as you stand in Shul next week. Don’t delay Moshiach’s coming because unfortunately you were brought up in a misguided way. You still have a whole weeks time to seek proper guidance. (Hint: You won’t find much in the jewish press)

    But in any event you should all have a Gemar Chasima Tova and Gebenched Year!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    As a frum person that wants to bring Kosher newspaper in the house, Hamodia is a waste of time, they used to be better, with better articles, but the last year or so, its whitewashed and real bad quality of articles, no articles with a breath of fresh air etc.

    Jewish Press, has some stupid columns, but they do have some very informative columns airing different opinions!

    berl
    berl
    15 years ago

    In Judaism there is a principle not to look at unclean or wicked people. The Chazon Ish Z”L refused to look Ben Gurion in the face. I think that Hamodia aka the daily diarrhea, should refrain from putting any Israeli politician’s picture in the paper as they are all “rishoim” wicked.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    Was Golda Meir’s picture and name in the papers when she was prime ministeR? look it up people and then talk about what to do teshuva for.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I think its pretty ridiculus that a picture of a tznius jewish woman cannot be published in a charedi newspaper!

    FRUM IS CRUM
    FRUM IS CRUM
    15 years ago

    Frum Fakers!!! THey want to show they are holy, they only show how weak they are, even a women name or face makes them have no control of their thoughts. Total Fakers…they don’t do one thing to help their fellow jews but corrupt the religion.

    Charlie Hall
    Charlie Hall
    15 years ago

    “The editor said that the policy regarding Golda Meir, the previous female prime minister, had been different.”

    If this were actually a matter of halachah, there could not be any policy change.

    Noam
    Noam
    15 years ago

    The absurdity of the current reporting standards confirm the underlying suspicion that us haredim are not only out of touch with political reality but also our own biblical and talmudic reality.

    I am waiting for the first censured chumash taking out Sara, Rachel and Leah etc names because they are female names.

    What about censuring large section of explicit gemaras?

    The underlying problem that the haredim especially certain chassidim have been influenced by goishe puritanism and react in ways inconsistant with our own mesorah.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Anonymous Says:

    As I read these posts, I can’t help but come to tears. To think that we are a mere couple of days before we stand in judgment before the Almighty, and people still hold firm to the secular logic.

    ————-

    Are you saying it’s now a sin to say Hamodia is a bad newspaper? Get real!

    I absolutely believe the Hamodia is a terrible newspaper that distorts the news. My wife is in the journalism profession and Hamodia routinely refuses to pring articles making any mention of anything negative about the Jewish community, such as domestic violence. Now, Jewish people have the right to avoid news, Loshon Hara or whatever the reason for this papers behavior is. But don’t for a minute pretend that it is a real news paper or that it readers are fully informed.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    “secular logic”??

    What you think in the sthetl they were rich enough to have sperate seating at shabbis sheva brachos?

    sick.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    stop acting like idiots. enough!!!!!!

    Matzahlocal101
    Matzahlocal101
    15 years ago

    Right, it would be so much better if papers were like Susan Rosenbluth’s Jewish Voice and Opinion and carried the sex scandal of the month, supported an abusive Rabbi against over a thousand of his colleages, was mevazeh chushaveh Rabbanim that disagreed with her, printed the full name, picture, and current school of an alleged molestation victim who was a minor at the time, in violation NJ laws. YES! Thats what we need in Jewsih households, that’s what we want our children to be reading! Or perhaps not. Perhaps when the mishnah tells us we shouldn’t be reading “seferim chizonim” chazal had a loftier purpose in mind, instead of contaminating ourselves with what secular goyim call normal. Keep in mind, much of what bloggers call normal in these pages, Goyim didn’t do 110 years ago. Unlike modern orthodox women who brag that they don’t cover their hair, 110 years ago in America a married Goyta with any class did not go out without a hat. Times have changed? Perhaps, but Jews have not and those that have Bitosim, tzadokim, kra’im, neolog, reform, modern orthodox, etc are gone, They either become frum or they’re on the way out. Such has been 3000 years of Jewish history.

    ____________________________________

    Anon 11:30,

    What you think in the sthetl they were rich enough to have sperate seating at shabbis sheva brachos?

    sick.

    ——

    A chasunah in the shtetl was 10 men, The kallah her mother and her bobbas, and a plate of herring.

    Often, in variance to what is written in shulchan oruch, the chasanah was held early Friday afternoon and the seudah was the shabbos seudah. The Shabbos-chasanah-sheva brochos seudah was because their was no money. In the frummer places in Poland and Galitzia, the women did not eat at the same table as their husbands anyway. so seperate seating was no problem. The men would eat in one house, the women at a neighbor, and the Kallah and her mother would come to the door for sheva brochos. Learn a little about Judaism before bad mouthing, what was standard Jewish behavior for at least a thousand years.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    First off I think it is interesting that people find ex Frummie’s comments worthy of doing tshuva. Silly people convince themselves that the frum world did not change bec we always follow the one true derech. But that is nonsense. Our community does change all the time. To the right and to the left. In this area of having pictures of women we definitly changed and in earlier times our gedolim did permit pictures of women.

    Das Torah changed.

    That story about the Chazon Ish is false. Ben Gurian kept a daily diary and he wrote about his

    conversation with the C”I. He did not write that

    the C”I did not look at him. Get over it!

    mikey
    mikey
    15 years ago

    Anon 9:55

    Charedi is meant to be pious and compassionate not ignorant

    I am sure I have for what to do teshuva – I at least will not have to do teshuva for living like a blind ostrich – which is your preferred lifestyle.

    And apparently the preferred lifestyle of too many Charedim – if its any consolation you are no better than people who get their news exclusively from the New York Times.

    Unfortunately you remind me of some Jews in Europe and US during WWII who were told by their Rebbes Askanim and Haredi newspapers that everything is all right and concentration extermination camps are only rumor.

    anonymous
    anonymous
    15 years ago

    To “FRUM IS CRUM”– I am SO tired of all the “chareidi” bashing on VIN comments. You wrote: “they don’t do one thing to help their fellow Jews”!!!??!! Have you been living like a blind ostrich? Have you ever heard of Yad Sarah? Misaskim? Hatzoloh? Bikur Cholim organizations too numerous to list? Yad Eliezer? Partners in Torah? The list could fill pages! The Chesed that comes out of chareidi organizations every day is offered to all Jews without any prejudice. You should be deeply ashamed of your racist comment.

    DRE53
    DRE53
    15 years ago

    just wana understand why the english edition of Hamodia and Yeted have no problem writing the first name of women. is this one of the “Mitzvos Hatlius Bo-oretz?”

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Did someone call the Jewish Press “respectable”? That’s funny! I thought the Jewish Press was more of a competition where they see who can write the most belligerent-sounding editorial and pass it off as news!

    I don’t agree with Hamodia’s hashkofo all the way, but I always found its news reporting–and editing, in English!–far superior to the Jewish Press.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Mikey 8:10,

    That is a myth! Name one gadol that said the camps etc were a rumor! This is a myth created by the reform and all our ‘self hater relatives’ that failed us when we needed their help!!

    There were a few gedolim that were asked (on an individual basis) where to go in the world. They advised their questioners that the choice between Europe and America may not be a choice. As in one, you may lose your life (they didn’t know of the Germans final solution yet – remember this is 1939 and in WW1 the Germans were the more humane power), yet in the other (America 1939) you lost your kids neshamos.

    But to argue that they knowingly ‘knew’ of the extermination camps (a secret kept by the Germans at all costs. See the Red Cross papers etc..) and advised their followers to stay is ludicrous! (There is so much paperwork on witness accounts of the Belzer telling the hungarians to flee, yet they failed to believe him. Before this (1940-41) no one could imagine the scenerio taking place in other countries (not Germany))

    Its so not true that when you do proper research and have the same ‘news’ that they had at their disposal you want to ‘ring’ the necks of persons that state the statement that you made.

    Perhaps I should write a report on how the ‘Reform’ and all our so called co-religionist threw so much in the way of saving the simple jew. Then maybe people like you would see the utter fabrication of this statement. A statement I believe created by the very faction that failed to save their brothers!

    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    15 years ago

    these are papers which cater to ppl who don’t want to see photos of women. not all of them are welfare recipients, not all of them spray paint bus shelters and some of them might also not molest children. why can’t you haters just respect lifestyles and ideals other than your own?

    tzoorba
    tzoorba
    15 years ago

    Not showing a face and certainly not mentioning a woman’s first name is a chumra b’alma. If any paper wants to practice this, it is their business but no one should think this is halacha.

    Gefilte Fish
    Gefilte Fish
    15 years ago

    Let me rephrase that: Ms. Livni is attractive, Golda Meir was not so much. Why can’t they just say it?

    09-21-2008 – 8:28 PM

    Livni? Attractive? whhhaaaaatttt??????

    YUngerman
    YUngerman
    15 years ago

    If one is not allowed to see a woman’s picture or read her 1st name, then how do the actual censors at the paper get around this halacha?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    So I guess we can expect to see Hillary’s picture in the Hamodia from now on. After all Hillary is a respected figure with decades of political experience.

    It seems to me that Halacha changed since the last time Israel had a woman as a prime minister and I find Hamodia’s excuse a little insulting to my intelligence

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I am so “relieved” that there are “Haredim” who believe that “Golda” was an “institution”. Even when she ate on Yom Kippur…….

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    To “Ex-Frummie” — I agree with what you wrote. As I have written you before, there are very valid reasons why you call yourself “Ex-Frummie,” however we must not blame Hashem or the Torah for those reasons. Please remember that.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    How come men’s photos may be shown? Aren’t women attracted to photos i.e. movie and rock stars?

    balabusta
    balabusta
    15 years ago

    Yet again another tznius issue…This is becoming a cult not a religion.(oy-I’m saying that before Rosh Hashana may people pray for my misguided ways and my return)

    Give me a break..

    Here’s my logic – Not every Jew walks the same path except for a belief in one G-d. A Jew is a Jew no matter what. Clothing doesn’t make the man but, his actions and deeds go along way.

    Is every male dressed in the in the livush is pious? NO

    Is every woman dressed in tznius pious? NO

    Do we all have flaws?YES

    Tzipi Livni is qualified, educated and a woman. Big deal on gender!

    We don’t judge by gender we judge on character and actions.

    Do I agree with her politics-Not on all things.

    But, to ban a womans name and face-Get real.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    >Unfortunately you remind me of some Jews in Europe and US during WWII who were told by their Rebbes Askanim and Haredi newspapers that everything is all right and concentration extermination camps are only rumor.< Wait, it’s worse! Those who said that actually often escaped!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The post by Yungerman is wonderful!!!

    Unless the chareidim use women to do the work, wouldn’t the men be doing an aveirah?

    formely
    formely
    15 years ago

    Anonymous Says:

    comments – arrow Mikey 8:10,

    That is a myth! Name one gadol that said the camps etc were a rumor! This is a myth created by the reform and all our ‘self hater relatives’ that failed us when we needed their help!!

    some gedolem said it would be better to die here physically then to die spiritually in a treif country and that is a fact.

    Even that new book that speak very highly of the gedolem does not disput the fact, that many gedolem told their flock to stay and not go to a treif country.

    As far as help, yes there was help but the gedolem said not to go to treif countries.

    shame on you waiting for frie jews to help you the same once that you despise and blame the holocaust on. Did you ever think of maybe preparing yourself.

    (ps this is just a logic response to his statement, and not what i actually feel)

    this has to be maybe the funniest line, self hater relatives you hate the reform and non frum Jews you hate Israel and blame the holocaust on them. You hate more than any group that I know. blaming the holocaust on other Jews.

    satmer cannot even acknowledge that is was Zionist who save the rebbie, that is how far your hate goes