Israel – The Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism (IMPJ), which represents the Reform stream of Judaism in the country, has asked the Transportation Ministry and El Al Airlines to look into the legality of the airline’s intention to launch exclusive flights for the haredi public.
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According to the Israel Religious Action Center (IRAC), IMPJ’s legal branch, the move represents “an illegitimate policy that violates Israeli law.”
In a letter to Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz and El Al CEO Haim Romano, IRAC Attorney Orly Erez-Likhovski wrote that “flights that institute separation between men and women should not be approved offhandedly.”
According to Erez-Likhovski, the law in Israel prohibits any form of segregation based on gender, and therefore any agreement that infringes on this principle should be grounded on a solid rationale and adhere to the law.
The Reform movement believes that these special flights are wholly unnecessary. “It’s clear that if a haredi passenger asks not to be seated next to a woman, he can ask to switch seats,” the letter stated.
“The fact that these arrangements often happen on flights illustrates that there is no need for such a compulsory gender-based segregation.”
IRAC also noted that the kosher bus lines that are operated by the public bus companies are currently being reviewed by an inter-ministerial committee appointed by Mofaz, and that the a petition on the issue has also been filed with the High Court, with a ruling still pending.
The movement asked Mofaz to clarify how the separation on flights would be enforced, how many special flights would be introduced, are the fares expected to be lower and whether flight attendants would have to adhere to specific restricting dress codes.
Sigh… What else to expect from self-hating jews, heh? We grow our own worst enemies.
If El Al continues to function as a government company they will be bound by such equal service and non-discrimination rulings. If they were a truly independent company they would be in a perfect position to tell these Reformistas to go pound rocks.
Let me get this one straight: The same chiloniim who complain about the very presence of charedim on their flights are now trying to stop El Al from offering separate flights. Do I sense some sort of disconnect here?
Simple Solution: Throw them off the plane,
Besides Religious discrimination is okay. They are members of another religion; aren’t they? They are member of Reform Movement. Sort of like a bowl movement, I hear. OY…. a movement. Eat a prune, have yourself a movement.
Another way to keep them off those flights. Announce that certain flights specialize in serving Chulent only, … for all meals …. They will cerainly book other flights, for they will not want to be part of our “Religious Airs”
The reform movement has always been about destroying Judaism. No to Halacha, but yes to pork and intermarriage. Typical.
Another solution would be to have special “Reform Movement” flights. These would have naked cabin crews, and serve pork lobster, and shrimp to all, with bacon, sausage and eggs for breakfast.
No two men would be allowed to sit together, and no two women.
The only exception to this rule would be if you carried a “Gay Pride” ID proving that you are likely to mess around with the neighbor of the same gender.
The movies would be certified X or XXX rated only, and would make sure to take off on Shabbos or land on Shabbos.
Special discounts can be offered for those who can prove them are Reform Movement people and have not had a bris.
We could equip each of those flights with a paper Torah, and they can give all the women aliyas. We can even have special flights for those who want to have their “confirmations” on the flight.
These special Reform Movement flights should make them happy; no?
When the original story broke, the El AL CEO said that they would only do flights if all of the seats were bought by charedi travel agents ahead of time. These would essentially be charedi charter flights, not regular El Al service flights. Non-orthodox people won’t be on the flight anyway since the tickets can only be bought through charedi travel agents. So what’s the problem?
Actually, we need some good attorneys to challenge the very Legality of the Reform Movement.
According to “The Code of Jewish Law” they have removed themselved from the Jewish nation by openly and publicly denying the Rambam’s 13 foundations of Judaism, especially, the existance, and supremecy of Hashem, His Torah, Creation, the truth of the Neviim, etc., These 13 Ikorim DEFINE Judaism. Those who openly, and publicly renounce these 13 items, even only one of them, have removed themselves from Klall Yisroel.
They can’t be counted in a Minyan even.
It is not like a person who admits that he should follow the Torah, but he has taavos which he can’t resist. The one who denies, is no longer a Jew. (unless and until he recants and does teshuva)
So, since the Reform Movement openly claims the Torah was written by Man (G-d forbid)
and openly proclaims the Big Bang and Evolution are correct, and that Hashem did not create anything, that Judaism is just a “culture.” …
They have stopped being members of the Jewish Nation.
So, they should be prohibitted from using the word “Jew” in their names, or literature.
how about this its idiotic and not needed to have seperate seating on a plane this is something that is wrong with all of us jews we look to go to the most extreme but we lack the basics
Though Kosher Flights is a great idea, I doubt if El Al will actually do it.
Have enough of the Chareidi community failed to come back to them that they need to kiss up to us? I doubt it.
They have hated us.
They have lied to us, again and again.
They have intentionally left at time (after delays) which would result in the flights landing on Shabbos, forcing us to get off in strange cities and be stuck over Shabbos in strange airports with no visa for that country.
They have lied again and again about their maintaining equipment by Jews on Shabbos, making it possibly ossur for us to use the planes until serviced again.
They don’t care, or rather, they actualy get enjoyment over knowing they tripped up another chareidi freak. We are not even people to them.
Did you ever see these people stand there openly smoking on Shabbos and laughing at us who are dressed at Jews?
If they actually institute these flights, it is because they need our biz.
But, more than likely, they only announced it, just to kiss up to us. Then THEY set up the Reform Movement to challenge it. They will then wait for a court decision, which they will not fight, and will tell us, “We tried, but the court will not let us have kosher flights.”
Aren’t we all happy that IRAC finds this the issue to champion.
Not feeding the hungry, lobbying for Pollard or anything else truly Jewish or Zionistic
Nebach
What bothers me the most is the lack of tolerance of the reform movement. Not that right wing orthodoxy isnt short on tolerance, but two wrongs dont make a right.
If haredim want to organize their own flights kolekavod. If you dont like it then dont fly on it. Why does the reform movement feel the need to impose itself on another groups affairs’. Sounds like the kind of thing they always accuse the orthodox of doing.
Who will decide who is frum enough to get on the flight? Monsey? KY?WB? BP?
Queens? Teaneck?
they are right. discrimination is not legal in democracies. whether its buses for blacks only or planes for only men/chassidim
discrimination is discrimination
“The law in Israel prohibits any form of segregation based on gender”. Is there really such a law? And if so, where do the boundaries of this law apply? To the Kotel? To yeshivas? To swimming pools? To cemeteries?
10 years ago there were a few mehadrin flights organized by ideal tours in israel at the request of the pnei menachem of ger.this is how it worked.one section oof the plane was chareidi which ment no movies.the men sat on one side and the women on the other side families sat in the middle if there wer more men they sat in the front rows of the middle and left section empty seats in the back were able to be seated by men or woman that did not mind this arrangement.the mishmeres hatznioos wanted a mechitza but the rabbanim paskened that as long as the wooman are dressed kehalacha even a minyan can be made without a mechitza since its not a shul only temporary and you know what it worked fine even the crew was happy that shachris was done in our seats .this was on Tower Air a”h and was only done in the hightravel season of pesach
Fanatic Reform People are fighting Fanatic Orthodox Jews. What ever happened to “normal” people? I’ve seen gedolei hador on flights and, short of ensuring that they themselves weren’t seated next to a strange woman, they were not bothered by the mixxed seating throughout the rest of the plane (or airport, or bus…) When did we become such a “holey” nation that we are outdoing even our own gedolim??