Los Angeles, CA – 8 Babies Born Through Fertility Program, As Family Filed For Bankruptcy

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    The octuplets' mother praised Kaiser Permanente medical staff Los Angeles, CA – The family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

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    The mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents. There’s been no mention of the octuplets’ father.

    The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family.

    The octuplets’ maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies’ mother already had six young children.

    And a family acquaintance had said that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

    The mother’s name is still being kept under wraps.

    But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program and had 8 embryos implanted last year.

    Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, “They all happened to take.”

    On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he’s “stunned.”

    Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

    Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, “Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

    “The options,” said Henry, “were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy.”

    Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, “My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals.”

    The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes — until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

    unanswered questions remain include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

    Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him “stunned. As the story’s unfolded and it’s gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice.”

    Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it’s “absolutely” possible the octuplets’ mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, “and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we’re policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that’s going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

    “And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it’s rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it’s going in the wrong direction.

    “And it’s unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it’s really a bit of a medical disaster.”

    “Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, ‘Listen, I’ve got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,’ co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, “is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic’s part to say, ‘I’m not going to treat you,’ or, ‘You know what? This is not a good idea?” ‘

    “Suffice to say,” Tucker responded, “I’ve been in this business for 25 years now. And it’s pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I’m stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady’s mid-30s, a 35-year-old — she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat — is extremely irresponsible.”


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    GEVALT!!
    GEVALT!!
    15 years ago

    Lets just remember she – a californian – didnt listen to her own congressperson machshayfala pelosi who said people shouldnt have big families.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    sounds like a single mother to me, tsu dertsu oich. Quite unethical of the professionals!

    Stunned!
    Stunned!
    15 years ago

    This is crazy and I am shocked!
    I have a close family member who had a child though IVF but that’s a completely different story. After trying for many years to have a child with no success, they finally had one through IVF, at a great financial cost to them. They had 4 embryos transfered and 1 made it Boruch Hashem, so at the most, they would have had quads if all 4 had made it. And the reason they had 4 transfered is because the doctors were very skeptic that even one would make it, otherwise they would have put 2 or 3. In no circumstances should a doctor do it for someone who already has 6 kids and transfer 8 of them?!? Again, crazy!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Wow! A womoan gives birth, and they are being critical of her for not murdering some of the children!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    this lady needs a mental doctor

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Fertility treatments should only be for infertile couples and only from the father. There needs to be legislation on this.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    It was very irresponsible to implant 8 embryos. Each extra embryo that takes reduces the chances that the others will survive and be healthy. Carrying 8 embryos to term isn’t “not murdering some of the children” as someone here said. It might be precisely the opposite–when there are that may, usually they do not all survive and they can all have severe medical problems for their entire lives. I”H that will not happen here, but if this happened to a frum person, they would have to ask a shailoh on what to do — if leaving all 8 would endanger all their lives, it’s not so poshut.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    This is obviously a plot to get lots of food stamps and tax credits….

    Ben
    Ben
    15 years ago

    Interesting how noone sees the Yad hashem in all this…The same day(almost) that pelosi makes her ridiculous statement,The RBSO makes “history” to show who is really in charge! yes, by all medical accounts this was a Nes! that they were all born, never mind in good health as well!
    There is a certain haughtiness on the part of these doctors who think they can decide how many kids should be born and to whom,frgetting (or denying) who holds the key…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Who paid for this? If it was public funds (YOU & ME) then every frum couple in stable, responsible marriages should be entitled to the same treatment for free. And an Arab as well. Just what the world needs. She’ll never cope, they’ll either be adopted or abused. Of course, she’ll get sponsorship from Pampers, Similac & other corporations. But once the $$ runs out, just wait & see what happens then.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    She may not get sponsorship from big companies because she is a single mom!! Poor marketing. You need a 2 parent home for advertising.

    UBET
    UBET
    15 years ago

    meshigah mtorah!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    “They had 4 embryos transfered and 1 made it Boruch Hashem, so at the most, they would have had quads if all 4 had made it.”

    First of all, Nadia had 6 embyos implanted. The 8 children resulted from two sets of identical twins being born. When 4 embryos are implanted, there is the chance for over 4 children to be born if there are identical twins. Some countries have a limit of 3 embryos at a time that can be implanted.

    Adoption is not the answer in the US. Since abortion is so easy here, there are few children available for adoption. Many of the children who are available for adoption (either in the US or via a foreign adoption) have significant heath problems. They may also be of a different race than the people who wish to adopt. While interracial adoptions are becoming more common, they are still not ideal.