Ukraine – The Presidential Administration has ruled out the possibility that the 10 Hasidic pilgrims that were detained in Uman (Cherkasy region) on September 10 were deported for religious or nationalist reasons.
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The presidential press service announced this in a statement.
“The Ukrainian authorities consider the incident that took place between Hasids and local residents in the town of Uman on September 10, 2010, after which 10 pilgrims were deported, as a domestic misunderstanding and does not see any religious or nationalist reasons behind them,” the press service quoted the Presidential Administration’s deputy head Hanna Hermann as saying.
Hetman stressed that that the pilgrims were deported with the aim of enforcing law and order and preventing escalation of the situation.
On behalf of Ukraine, she expressed the hope that the organizers of the pilgrimage will take additional measures in the future to prevent such a situation.
As Ukrainian News earlier reported, Ukraine deported 10 Hasidic pilgrims to Israel on September 12 after they were detained in Uman on September 10 for violating public order during detention of people suspected of assaulting two local residents.
Hasidic pilgrims came from Israel to celebrate Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, which is marked from September 8 to 10 this year.
Enough of this Uman meshguaas already. Motzi yom tov, the Breslover Rebbe should lead a delegation of his chassidim to dig up the remains of Rav Nachman and rebury him on one of several beautiful locations available on Har Ha’Manuchot alongside many of the other gadolim of the past few generations including Rabbi Baruch Ashlag, Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag, Rabbi Chaim Joseph David Azulai, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Rabbi Nachman Bulman, Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Naftali Herz Imber, Rabbi Yitzchak Kadouri, Rabbi Aharon Kotler, Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer, Rabbi Chanoch Dov Padwa, Rabbi Aharon Rokeach, Rabbi Gedalia Schorr, Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Naftoli Shapiro, The Gaon of Tchebin Rabbi Eliezer Waldenberg, Rabbi Menachem Ziemba, Z’tl.
such a chlillul hashem
if only the Israeli government learns from the Ukranians,and does the same thing with these criminaly insane savages who riot and cause mayhem in jerusalem.
they all should be deported to Iran or Gaza,where they will feel more at home.
There is no core of the problem like this Chaim. Breslovers have existed since 1810 without the Rebbe in person. However everything that is needed is in the seforim he wrote and that were written by his heilige talmid, R. Nossen, and subsequent great Breslovers such as R. Nachman of Tcherin, R. Alter of Teplik, R. Avraham Chazan and others who made glorious likkutim from R. Nossen’s writings and brought out their own chiddushim.
These people who act so strangely, and others such as Na-Nach are not interested in this tradition at all. Do we throw out all Yiddishkeit because of all the bad apples?! Come on!
The Ukrainians just solved a problem many face every year when going to Uman: All the people have to worry about now is covering the airfare to Uman and then they cause some problems on Motzei Rosh Hashana and get shipped home on the Ukrainian dime…
This whole Uman thing drives me meshugah! Lets make a cheshbon – say each person spends roughly $1000 for this trip. Multiply it by the 50,000 people who went and boom you have $50,000,000!!! Imagine how many mosdos hachinuch that are in financial distress could be saved with that money! If I were a betting man I would bet that in shamayim the zechusim that come from supporting the chinuch of our tinokos shel beis rabban and the girls, would do a lot more to save one from the gates of gehinom than going to Uman. I am also sure that if one were to make such a donation in the zechus of Rebbe Nachman, he would be there just as well to keep his promise. On top of all that I wont mention the fact that many people there don’t have the money to pay for this while their families are home in E”Y lonely and struggling to have enough food for Y”T…
Now I know some are going to scream, “who gives you a right to tell people how to spend money?” My response is you’re right for those who have the money and give their ma’aser, but for those who don’t have the money…
Also, what’s with this shtus of providing 20,000 free meals? I am sorry but if one feels he can pay for the trip to Uman, he should also be able to provide for his own provisions! Oh wait, I forgot, many of those eating those free meals shnorred the travel money as well!
How many kitchen soups and tomchei shabbos type of deliveries could have happened with that money (in the zchus of rebbe Nachman)? For all the money involved in the shipping, I am sure that money could have bought at least 40,000 meals for the poor in E”Y or the US!
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You make the point others have been trying to communicate. Because there is no leader, the Breslover chassidim have no consistent rules or midos by which to behave and can justify almost any actions they take as part of their minhagim.
na nach nachm nachman m’uman l’yerusaleyim
#2 ,
I Don’t know if that qualifies as being to equal to the 30,000 kidoshim that were massacred in Uman in 5524. That being the reason that Reb Nachman wanted to be buried in Uman where he had lived for only half a year as opposed to the city of Breslov. Additionally, being that site is visited and well kept, as well as it being Reb Nachman’s requested burial site, I don’t see where you got your heter to disturb his resting place.
#2 ,
You didn’t know these names before you looked them up somewhere as well. People that are actually familiar with these tzadikim say: the Chida, the Baal Hasulum, the Belzer Rebbe (or Reb Aharon Belzer), the Tzitz Eliezer, the Tchebeiner Rov, vichulu
The only two that you mentioned that were exhumed and moved to EY are Reb Menachem Ziemba and Reb Meir Shapiro KZ”L
there have been breslover chasidim for ever they were a small group that followed his teachings. today it has become a happening, a place to be the vast majority are about as involved with the chassidis as the pope is to judiasm. anyone that has been to israel or else were knows that it is made up of formed drugges off the derrich youths that wear his kippah but lack the real meaning of what its about. i had friends in the movement that were their in the 60’s and 70’s. they to are apalled and angry at what is happening.