Israel – Rabbi Menachem Burstein, head of the Pu’ah Institute that works with Jewish couples with fertility problems, has issued a Halachic opinion that women close to their due dates should not try to advance their child’s delivery to Sunday – October 10, 2010. Rabbi Burstein said he had received many questions from mothers on whether it was permissible to take action, such as ingesting drugs that would induce labor, in order to ensure that their child was born on 10/10/10.
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“This is not permissible, for three reasons,” Rabbi Burstein wrote. “The date is not a Jewish one, and has nothing to do with Judaism; inducing often causes caesarean section deliveries, and can be dangerous; and delivering a child before its time can place it in great danger, since the child does not get the Heavenly help that comes with childbirth that runs its full course.” He added that women who are planning to deliver by C-section could, if they wished, scheduled their operations for Sunday, but that to do so just for the “honor” of having their children on that particular date was not recommended.
I’m surprised that this is even a shilah.
He is incorrect that inducing leads to c-sections. I was induced early in order to AVOID a c-section. Usually there is no reason to induce, but sometimes it’s necessary.
my birthday is actually 10-10. I didn’t know I am so special
Usta koocha faya necki
to #4 Megvanak osinten bolondulvo, ezek a chirkafogok.
#2 – he is correct. I was induced once. I was stuck at 4cm for hours and had a c/s after 30 hours. If there are no medical implications, it is foolish to induce labor for vanity reasons such as this or “my in-laws leave town in 2 days” or “I don’t want to go into labor”.
I don’t understand something, do people seriously try to cause their children to have a particular birthdate? Is this a sociological phenomenon with which I am not familiar? If so than why does the rabbi say “it is not a Jewish date”? Does he mean to imply that it is allowed or at least not discouraged if it is a Jewish holiday?
What?
He is correct that inducing leads to C-sections in cases without a medical need to induce. As with all interventions, there are times when they are necessary. But they are also RISKY, and that is why they should not be done just because.
To #4 and #5 : No secrets in public.
Nehm lehet kibirni!
Leave medicine to the doctors and religion to the rabbis.
Poster # 3 (Anonymous) …. But not 2010?! Please let us know if you were actually born on 10/10/10. Thank You.
#10 , I was actually waiting for an apikores to post such. I knew it was coming.
As חז”ל (the ‘rabbis’ you so ridicule) say – דור ששפט את שופטיו, every statement by the Gedolim, need your arrogant approval.
mayo clinic
Inducing labor: When to wait, when to induce
Can I request an induction?
If you’re interested in an elective induction, discuss it with your health care provider. If you live far from the hospital or you have a history of rapid deliveries, a scheduled induction may be warranted. Although there are exceptions, elective induction generally isn’t appropriate for lifestyle or work reasons. Keep in mind that unnecessary intervention poses unnecessary risks — such as a possible C-section. Trust your health care provider to help you make the best decision in your case.
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“This is not permissible, for three reasons,” Rabbi Burstein wrote. “The date is not a Jewish one, and has nothing to do with Judaism
Just because it is not Jewish should not make assurr. and what if someone woyld pick a Jewish date that is cool would it be mutter then?
how will it improve the kids life if hes born on 101010?
my birthday is 10-10 also, so what?
will 11-11-11 be ok?!
it sounds cool, 11;11;11 11-11-2011!
The reason it is not muttar is because it ends up being an unnecessary procedure. Also you get into the major shayla of mazolos etc which is far beyond the scope and understanding or most of the people on this board.
I agree that people should follow their doctors advice on health issues more then their rabbis, however, in this case the Rabbi is not saying not to induce labor so it should specifically come out on 10/10/10. If you need it by then and the doctor says to do it 10/10/10 he is not saying don’t do it then, just don’t schedule it for a nonsensical reason on any date just to have an interesting birthdate
There is a teshuva from r’ moishe fienstien zatsal many years ago that says that it is not permissable to be induced unless it is for medical reasons. He says that every child has a time when is its mazal to be born, and for us to fix a date or change the predestined date of its birth is a0 getting involved with the chesboinois of Hashem and b) we are changing the mazal when the child is born which is dangerous stuff.
Dont mess!!!
Please take off the picture – it has the shem hamforash on it and it dosent belong on the internet – thanks
To No. 20
There is nothing wrong with the photograph or showing shem hamforash on a website. its done all the time.
Regarding 10/10/10…it has great significance in gamatriah so I’m not surprised some yiddeshe women actually considered having their deliveries accelerated to have the zchus of having a child on this date.
#12 – I was waiting for an illiterate Know Nothing to say that rabbis are medical and scientific authorities. They aren’t. Their only area of expertise is religious doctrine and observance. A rabbi can tell you if it’s religiously permissible to tear a sheet of toilet paper on Shabbos or to whom a calf belongs if the embryo was accidentally transferred from one cow to another. Unless he also has the letters “M.D.” after his name he is unqualified to speak on matters of medical science.
The decision to induce labor or not should be made by the family in consultation with a qualified doctor in the best interests of mother and child. Period.
According to Jewish tradition 10/10/10 was over 5700 or 60 years ago. The next one isn’t coming around for quite a while. Why are we poseking the calendar reforms of Pope Gregory?
Anon Ibid Opcit Says:
“ Leave medicine to the doctors and religion to the rabbis. ”
And leave the anti-religious comments to Anon Ibid Opcit.
that is not anti religious, rebbies are not doctors or haven’t you figured that out yet.
Rebbies can have input but ultimately one should listen to ones doctor. If you rebbie does not agree, I am afraid you rebbie does not have your health as his main interest
23 – Yes, I did know. But it’s an accepted alternate spelling according to the style manual.
And I fail to see how my comment is anti-religious. Rabbinical training teaches you nothing about medical science. Less than nothing, actually, since much of what passes for science in Chumash, Talmud and the rabbinical tradition is thousands of years out of date and wrong. Dead wrong.
no. 4 and 5, cute , sounds interesting, let us in on the secret. we can all use abit of humor.
#26 ! im extremely surprised by your comment. I would think that one would think before they write. Our tzadikim z”l were THE source of knowing all the cures of everything back then. Rambam has a whole book of these things. Therefore, before posting such comments go through the whole Torah and try to disproof one by one. Let me know when you are done.
#10 , 22, 26 etc.
I see there is no stopping you, אפילו על פתחו של גיהינום אינם חוזרים, so let me just ask you, my dear enlightened one (משכיל), when you get yourelf in a medical predicament, who do you go running for brochos, your Medical Bigshots you so much admire, or the rabbis (lowercase letters)? Why?
Let me remind you that Hashem (that’s G-d) is in the drive’s seat, “Medical Science” notwithstanding. Will not change an iota of His will. His closest, who study his Torah (Bible, Talmud etc.), discover His secrets, including the chemostry and make-up of His universe. They don’t need to study the sciences, they get it directly from above, His Manual. How many times do we hear of modern day sciences just re-discovering something Chazal (the Rabbis of the Talmud) said 2,000 years ago!
Does it not say in the Gemoro that the world is round like a ball(Alexander the great when lifted by an eagle). This was thousands of years ago, when all others agreed with the “flat earth society” until only a few hundred years ago.
#30 – The Greeks proved the world was round hundreds of years before the Gemara were written. Aristotle recorded the proof. Eratosthenes calculated the circumference.
As for the rest of you, Chumash, Mishnah and Gemara DO NOT have accurate biology or medical knowledge. They simply don’t. There’s no concept of germs, parasites, or even basic things like circulation of the blood. Rambam is a little bit better. But his stuff is still 800 years out of date. His medical knowledge was excellent for an Arab-trained physician of his era. It’s laughably primitive by today’s standards. Most of it is wrong and won’t work. It really is that simple.
Poster # 30 (Wiznitzer); Just to add to your point. (About Chaza”l revealing scientific facts when the “World” was not yet privy to them.) The Gemara in Masechet B’rachos speaks of the many galaxies and the multitude of stars in existence, when the popular scientific belief was that only the “Milky Way” and only a few Thousand stars were in existence. As far as “Anon Ibid Opcit, etc. and all the other learned people on this website who believe that Chaza”l were just your average rabbi who opened a Shul on your block and found a Shtetl back in Hungary or Romania that their Grandfather dreamed of having visited, and not divinely inspired, I don’t have the energy at this time to disabuse them of their notion.
#30 Your disrepect and ridicule toward OUR Gedolei Olam is showing, apparently you are not AT ALL a frum person.
i was born 10/10. i had a baby on 10/10/10. nice b-day present! (no c-section, or inducing. All natural). Now someone will remember my b-day!