Kiryas Joel, NY – The Satmar Rebbe, R’ Aron Teitelbaum, broke his silence on the upcoming CitiField Asifa today, announcing that there was no reason for any of his chasidim to attend this event or the upcoming Siyum Hashas.
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Until now the Satmar Rebbe had been careful not to speak out publicly against the Asifa but his words came today after Shachris at the Satmar yeshiva in Kiryas Joel, alluding to the fact that the Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoel was against any gatherings of rabbis belonging to the Agudah.
“Whoever remembers my uncle, the Divrei Yoel and participated in his Shalsoh Seudos and heard his holy words and came to his house with a kvittel knows that a Satmar Chasid has nothing to gain from attending either the Asifa or the Siyum Hashas.”
R’ Teitelbaum emphasized that he supported the Rabbonim who are endorsing the assemblage and would encourage his followers to abide by the suggestions that will be proposed at the Asifa, but that he felt that this gathering was not in the best interests of his followers.
“It is impossible to speak to every person in the same way. There are people who are already filtering their internet and other who need to be told that they should not have a computer in their house at all.”
R’ Teitelbaum also took issue with the fact that the Asifa would be conducted in English saying “our forefathers fought against having speeches in the languages of other nations and I do not want to send my followers to a place where they will be speaking a foreign language.”
In recent days askanim arranging the event have suggested that the Satmar Rebbe had lent his endorsement to the event and that while he was not sending his Chasidim as a group to the Asifa he had given permission to any individuals who wanted to go to the event.
An audio from his speech was uploaded on YouTube.
“asifa and the siyum hashas”, he forgot to mention “and every event made for klal yisroel”.
RIP ASIFA
Ummmmm….but all the other Satmar sponsored Gatherings are OK?
Because they make it, right?? C’mon…Whom are they fooling??
why than he went to the Belze rabbe ? its also not for a satmerere chusid is going to the asife not darci נימוס as he said why he has to go the Belz
R’ Teitelbaum also took issue with the fact that the Asifa would be conducted in English saying “our forefathers fought against having speeches in the languages of other nations and I do not want to send my followers to a place where they will be speaking a foreign language
really maybe he forgot what language the Talmud was written in. A language on another nation.
To demonstrate publicly against the Israeli government is however OK?
Mamash shreklech.
It is impossible to speak to every person the same way…
I think its not only satmar like this, in every Jewish community they are people who need internet and people who need only a computer and people that dont even need a computer, so maybe this same claim will be spoken at the asifa event? And will be given drushes for the different people, the same he could do it in his own community?
So are they cancelling that new added place?
really Avrahom Yitzchok and Yaakov all spoke yiddish!!!
The edict against speaking a foreign language is from the chasam sofer and further legislated in the 1865 assifa in Hungary. It was set in order to combat the Reform movement and modernity. 150 years later these individuals still cling to these ideas thinking it will protect their followers from the world at large. In many ways it has. In other ways it has so set them apart that they have given birth to intolerable areas of chilul hashem such as the neturei kartah. 100 years later to still not be able to sit with agudas rabbanim is simply wrong and definitely not a show of daas torah. Finally if he really feels hispeople dont have to be protected by the internet since satmar dont have it……………………….the he should change his name to Reb Yosef Baal chalomos
If Satmar did not come up with the idea….it is posul.
As satmar yes we don’t go to the Kosel and we don’t have any connection to the Zionist government in Israel.
We don’t learn daf hayomi.
We are proud to be part of a group of Jews who when moshiach will come we will say we had no hand in anything Zionist.
And we are proud now as well not to be part of something that includes rabbis that have very different beliefs on Zionism then we do.
We are also proud not to be part of a gathering that the English language will be part of the agenda something which the chasam sofer and our old rebbe was very against.
we don’t need anyone’s approval in case you have not noticed we were thought how to think and believe by the only rebbe who had the backbone to stand up to the challenge of Zionism and yes who wanted us not to participate in most things other Jews took part in.
Who are we to play Judge in an open forum such as this where our words will not effect things for the better, all it does is cause divisiveness ?
He waited til everyone purchased their tickets. he helped them say its sold out.
“a Satmar Chasid has nothing to gain from attending…the Siyum Hashas.”
Well, doesn’t that make chasidus look like a real torahdicke movement…
Irony of all ironies – I recently viewed on one of our Jewish websites an interview with a major NK spokesman, who spoke entirely in perfect Sabra Ivrit!
How can Satmar be sure that between all these speakers no zionizm will be spoken as some of these speakers can not see what is wrong with zionizm למחצה ולשליש ולרביע
well just to inform you a BIG percentage of stamar chassidim especially those living in monroe or williamsburg do not own computer all together so this whole filtering computers is not for them
I don’t care much about who does or doesn’t endorse the Asifa, but for the Satmar rabbi to come out against an event being held in English is moronic. We live in a foreign country and many speak the “foreign” language of said country. He can go move back to anti-semitic Europe and establish his home there and hope they accept his request to change the official language to his choosing.
IS CHABAD GOING? Does anyone know?? If any Chabadskers are reading this, please let us know!
I love this rabbi not for the fact that he is against the asifa but because his guts to speak out what he holds this is a true leader we need more of this.I am not a chosid of him.
What Klal Yisroel needs is achdus. A rosho like Achov was rewarded because there was achdus in his generation. I don’t understand why the Rebbe would break such Achdus, for moronic reasons.
It is very convenient now to use the Rebbe zt”l as his excuse for not attending.
Making a hadlaka on Lag Baomer was certainly not sanctioned by his two predecessors, (as he himself stated.) so claiming that he is going exactly in his uncle’s footsteps is blatantly untrue!
I know quite a few Aroinim who are going, because they bought tickets before today’s drasha, and they know that this will be a memorable happening!
your all missing the boat it has nothing to do with zionizm it has to do with party judaism the satmar rebbe and many gedolim before him were very anti making religion into some club that you belong to,its a religion not a political party ,so anything that smells from parte and preaching religion through big emotional gatherings and events is not their way.of course getting together is a beautiful thing ,for singing and dancing hearing torah and divrei mussar but this became a klal yisroel thing as if youll be hearing torah from moshe rabeinu himself .anyway thats what they believe . if you ask, that satmar is a chassidus and their own party, than you did not understand me and read it again
the rambam wrote in arabic.
satmer has become a joke, gone are the beautiful days with hakadosh reb yoilish zy”a when everything was done lshem shamyim, the skulener rebbe whos every action is only to be mekadesh shem shamyim comes to monroe to beg him to have satmer chasidim come to the kinus ,and hes refused by him, and now with this drasha that makes no sense, chaval al deavdin
Yiddish was made in Germany
The entire Asifa is really a very stupid Idea.
If anyone is not in favor of filtering the internet, he certainly will not come to such an Asifa, since he is already convinced anyway.
If anyone is adamantly against the Internet to the extent that they have no computer and or internet at all in the house, he also has no reason to come because he is already convinced, anyway.
So exactly for what type of an idiot is the Asifa made for????
Even if there is small segment of society who has doubts and so not sure if the internet needs to be filtered or not, there is no reason to “force” everyone to attend and to waste $2 million on this!
It makes much more sense for the Rabbonim and leaders of the various segments of Judaism, to have a private meeting amongst themselves and then each Leader of each respective Kehila, can issue a “Psak Din”, issued to their own Kehila as to the practical suggestions and safeguards recommended.
Besides wasting $2 Million dollars it is also causing a huge, needless Chilul Hashem, because there will be protest groups outside the Asifa who will be screaming as to why the Rabbonim are not protesting Molestation and the media will focus on the protesters.
The Beis Din of Crown Heights posted an official letter in 770, last week where they say that the problem here is nothing new and that all Lubavitcher Rabbonim, worldwide had already recommended many years ago that ideally, no one should have internet in their house and only if one absolutely must have it because of Parnasa or similar reason, then they need to make sure they have it filtered and in addition to also install monitoring software, which is reported to another person and several other safeguards and recommendations which all Lubavitcher rabbonim worldwide had recommended.
After all the above, the Beis Din of Crown Heights concludes the letter by saying that based on the above it is abundantly self evident how we are all to relate to the Internet issue and therefore most lubavitchers have no reason to attend because they are already well aware of the danger and what to do about it has already been ruled on by all Lubavitcher Rabbonim.
Nevertheless the Beis Din of C.H. concludes that if after all the above someone is not yet convinced and if someone feels that by going to the asifa it will help him to be convinced of that which is self evident, then let him go.
To you dear “advice”.
You are living in a vary small narrow mind what was build from the blatt and der yid.
1st. Satmar is full of blackberrys and iphones (including you) and people who work in an office have also a computer.
2nd. satmar is ready to give up whats supposed to be spoken in these times whats really the problem in our generation, because of a problem what doesnt exist anymore only a idiology problem what they cant crawl out of it (what they call zionisim)
3rd. the heilige chasam sofer spoke “hoech dutch” not even yiddish you wouldnt understand it, and your own zeides and bubbes spoke their state launguge hungerian or polish, chasam sofer meant to learn a different langauge from a different state to be…
Satmar is known for taking old concepts, and color it down for todays life making a big issue, and covering the real things and the real problems.
Actually. Yiddish is older than modern German (and English). They both evolved from a common ancestor.
maybe satmar should learn a rashi in devorim perek alef posuk he. moshe rabeinu explained torah to klal yisroel in 70 languages. sifsei chacomim explains the reason being that all yidden from all backgrounds are to understand. perhaps satmar wasnt there ? or maybe they were concerned that moshe rabeinu is a zionist ? by the way satmar did join the agudah against gius bonos. there are pictures documenting this..
the point here is when the entire charedishe olam joins, you put aside all your politics and you join them. satmar is making a big mistake.
do you really think youre holier than all these admorim roshei hayeshivos rabbonim all because you have ONE MITZVA TO HATE ZIONIST ?
lets not fool ourselves this asifa has nothing to do with zionist
DER VOS FARSHTEIT FARSHTEIT
I’m not a Satmarer but I had overheard a conversation where someone who form a group of “non-chassidim”, who was a talmid of Reb Moshe Feinstein, was talking to a Satmarer asking him why he will not be going to the Asifa together with all the Litvakes from Lakewood who organized the event.
The Satmarer Chossid replied by explaining to him in general all Chassidim are far frumer than all litvakes in all matters of Yiras Shomayim and have no reason to go to such an asifa.
He continued by saying, why would a Satmarer who is Moser nefesh for every minor detail of Yidishkiet, even such details which litvakes haven’t even heard of, never mind that they are never mekayem, we need to take musar form them?
You think that a Satmarer needs to hear musar from someone who condones cutting of the beard by all misnagdim in all misnagdishe yeshivos and the KALUS they have in drinking Non-Cholov-Yisreol (because of an imaginary “heter” by Reb Moshe) and such people need to teach us how to be “frumer” in Internet matters?
A Busha Vecharpa, he proclaimed!
Reply to # 69
I have bad news for you when moshiach will come not all jews will be on equal footing.
Yes us satmar who will proudly say to moshiach we didn’t have anything to do with a country which was established as a secular country in spite of hashem.
We didn’t have anything to do with zionizm in any way shape or form not in a secular way not in a way that’s called agidas yisrul or any other way.
We always hopes and prayed for this. Country to be abolished so you can come.
As the satmar rebbe the divri yoel z”l said when moshiach will come he will point out those jews who supported our brothers and sisters in israel who don’t take a dollar from that so called jewish government.
Reply to #69
You have a country like israel where there are almost 6 million Jewish souls behaving like the lowest nation on earth.
A country where the jewish torah has no value.
A country where christians and their churches are treated with more respect then the graves of our grand parents.
Yes we will proudly say to moshiach we didn’t have any part in it.
Like our rebbe said the only reason moshiach is not here yet is because of this so called Jewish state of israel.
Reply to # 69
And I have news for you according to the sfurim of our rebbe
Every single jew who had any part in the so called jewish state of israel will pay a hefty price for it.
No matter what hat or sneakers you wore.
And yes we are bali gaves and proud that we are true to hashems words of not taking our country back before moshiach comes.
The Rebbe is correct in his last sentence. (Translated into English) Whoever understands understands, and whoever doesnt understand doesnt understand. Well said because I would say 95% of the g’doylim posting here DONT UNDERSTAND. Just “hear” that this is all part of the Satmar derech and they have BH been matzliach with this derech.
Just for the record. Here is a partial list of Rabbamin, Roshei Yeshivos, Rebbes, etc Who are opposing the asifa.
1)Kossover Rebbe
2)Harav Yosef Rosenblum. RY Sharei Yosher
3)Satmar Rebbe KJ
4) Harav Shmuel Kaminetzky RY Philadelphia (even though he singed for it)
5) Kasheo Rebbe
6)Munkatch Rebbe
7) Harav Gavriel Zinner
8) Shopronner Rebbe
9)Haran Friedman, Satmar Dayan
10)Harav Lebowitz of Woodridge
11)Harav Epsein RY Derech Chaim
If anyone knows of more Rabbanim, kindly post them.
JUST WONDERING…..
1)Isnt this called “Poresh min Hatzibur” ?
2) when Moshiach will come will he sit together with all the rabunim who are members of Agudah?
maybe after being involved in another “historical event” which is being in court for so many yrs and creating an “Historical Chilul hashem” maybe thats enough for him
but u know what, lots of ppl will always be amazed and admire someone who is different from everyone else….because it creates an image as he has a mind of his own…
but we have to look whats constructive, there are other rabbis who are having problem that its going to in english, or also for the same “Agudah” reason and other have a problem that its going to be pictures….etc
but they look at the outcome and on the purpose…
and they r trying to be constructive….
wow he is a hero!
it used to be that rabbunim spoke in goyish because it was in style, but to speak in english to people who dont understand differently is not wrong. its all a fabrication.
perhaps all you so proud satmer who seperate yourselves from the rest of klal yisroel should look up the rambam who declares that you wont have a chelek in olam habah.
Im not here to defend the heilige satmar rebbe rabainy Yoel z”l , because who am I to defend such a great tzadik , but I can sure quote his own words in “divrei Yoel” in this Weeks parsha. פרשת בחקותי, דף שע , but before I to that , let me remind you that the aguda in his times had much bigger tzadikim then the aguda today , and yet , rabeiny Yoel believed that since they are affiliated in any shape or form with the zionist government by participating in the votes or sitting in the kneset , we should not work together “even for the sake of oifteen far yiddishkeit” …..and these are his words …כי זה כלל גדול הוא , אשר מרשעים “ומן המתחברים אליהם ומשתתפים עמהם” יצא רשע , ואף אם למראה עינים נדמה כי אדרבה רצונם להרבות כבוד שמים
ולעשות פעלים לתורה ולתעודה , אין זה כי אם אחיזת עינים ,ותחתיה תעמוד הבהרת צרעת הכפירה הממארת , וכל הירא את ה’ באמת צא טמא יאמר להם ואל יקרב אל פתח ביתם
The satmar rebbe at a speech last for the kollel in satmar bni brak.
There was a. Very rich man in that one of. His grand fathers went to collect $ for ppl who don’t have $ for heat.
So when he got to his house the guy came out without a. Coat to greet him.
It was freezing but the yitev lev didn’t go inside and spoke at the door. After a few the guy said rebbe I’m freezing I can’t take the cold the rebbe answered now I can go inside because. U understand how the poor people who don’t have $ for heating feel.
The same thing we are feeling now with everyone asking are u going to the kines do u have tickets and u c. All the propaganda you feel the same way the satmar pepole feel in israel every time there is a election every time there is something big happening they see all the people hanging flags and posters on their houses rebbes saying its a mitzvah but they don’t go……..and don’t participate….
Same here……
This is not an argument about if Yiddish is holier than English. If you speak a different language than the general population you will, by default, stay separate and not mingle. Satmar has a pretty good record of that, eventhough their worldview might be a bit skewed.
Why would a person who hate satmar want them there ,why are you people upset what he specificly told his own people what he thinks the ba’al vayoel moshe shita was? Hshem bless all the jewish including chabad,agudah,,etc………..
Satmar Rebbe is against everything that is not his idea
Most people with internet and computers by the Heimishe
Oilam is in Kiryas Joel and Willi and the Rebbe knows there is nothing he can do about it they won’t listen anyway
nobody is going to check out in their houses if they have computers, internet etc so I guess he figures it is a waste of time
but… when he will decide it is time to do something about it he will go to all the Agudisten, litvaks, lakewooders etc. and let himself be heard …it was his brainstorm idea…..
At least the Franks being sold Sunday at Citifield will be coming from KJ shechita..So Monroe will represent the Asife with over 100,000 franks..
The Satmar Rebe Shlita issue with the kinus
The Holy Chasam Sofer Zt”l did not have an issue with individuals speaking a foreign language the issue was that speeches by asifas should only be in Yiddish.
The Satmar Rebbe Shlita speaks dozens of times a year at gathering of his Chasidim at every single speech he fires against the internet and social media.
I saw the Holy Satmar Rebe Zt”l point and say to 10,000 people who gathered to form Keren Hatzolh (an organization that funds mosdos who don’t take money from the Israeli government) a few months before his petrah when moshiach will come he will these yidden these helped bring moshiach the last words in public by a tzadik who lived and breathed lshaem shamim and loved every individual yid with all his heart no matterwho he was.
The Satmar Rebe Shlita waited till the weekly newspapers were printed to state his opinion to his Talmudic and Chasidim not to attend so as not to interfere with others wanting to attend
To 19 would the chasom softer ztl or reb yolish ztl ever go to court they would die before doing that
So don’t hang anything your pretend rebbe does on those two zadikim
The Iranians are working as hard and fast as they can to destroy Eretz Yisroel and we are bickering over nonsense.