Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita on American Kashrus Organizations

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By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for 5tjt.com

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The following column may appear controversial, as it calls for a shift in our current practice.  However, we should always look to do the right thing. We must, in fact, do the right thing, even when it is difficult.

The Jewish nation has a mandate to be an ohr amim – a light to the nation.  In our davening we recite daily the words – “Hodu la’Hashem, kiru bishemo, hodi’u ba’amim alilosav… sapru ba-goyim k’vodo b’chol ha’amim nifla’osav.”  Some will say that this is not for now, but for a future time. But, even if it is for a future time – in order to do this, we need to be able to remain on mission.

ON MISSION

There is a Rabbinic enactment that was designed to keep Klal Yisroel on mission. The enactment is known as avoiding bishul akum in order to maintain Jewish continuity.   In terms of the Kashrus standards of our communities, for some reason, our community vaadim have latched onto a unique leniency – specifically our reliance on merely having the fire turned on by the mashgiach to avoid what would otherwise be considered bishul akum.

The leniency is called “hadlakas ha’eish” and is, truth be told, adopted by Rabbi Moshe Isserles, author of the Rama in his commentary on the Shulchan Aruch (Y.D. 113:7). The Shulchan Aruch states explicitly that a ben or bas yisroel must contribute significantly to the cooking process. Essentially, the Rema’s ruling states that if the ben or bas Yisroel were to merely light the fire, this is enough to countermand the prohibition of bishul akum.

WAS IT POST FACTO OR EVEN IDEALLY?

It is unclear, however, whether the Rema meant this leniency as an ideal to adopt or whether he merely ruled that, post facto, the food is not to be declared “prohibited.”  This is actually a debate among Poskim, and one should ask one’s own Rav as to his thoughts.  It is significant.

Aside from this question, there is another issue.  Today most kashrus organizations have taken the Rema a step further and rely on a pilot light lit by a ben or bas yisroel many days, weeks, or months prior to the actual cooking – a practice to which that many halachic authorities have raised serious opposition. The extension is a step removed from the Remah’s heter, and it is unclear if he would have advocated the extension either.

SCANT TALMUDIC BASIS

There appears to be scant basis for this leniency in the Talmud itself. The section of the Talmud that deals with the issue of bishul akum is found in Tractate Avodah Zarah (38a). A bereisa quoted there states that someone may place the food upon the fire and allow the eino Yehudi to continue cooking it until it is finished. The bereisa seems to be teaching us the parameters of what constitutes bishul akum.

Had the leniency of merely lighting the fire been acceptable as well, it is likely that the bereisa would have informed us of this. Later on, the Gemara, in fact, states this very leniency of lighting the fire in regard to the baking of bread. (Halachah generally draws a distinction between the prohibitions of breads baked by an eino Yehudi and foods cooked by an eino Yehudi.)  Why didn’t the Gemorah suggest this for cooking?

A DEBATE BETWEEN THE RAMAH AND SHACH

In addition to the idea that lighting the fire is sufficient, the Rema seems to be lenient in another matter as well. He indicates that if the Yehudi partook in a part of the cooking that would not have eventually accomplished a full cooking of the food, it is still sufficient. The Shach (Y.D. 113:9) writes that this is against our Gemarah.

OTHER RISHONIM

A number of Rishonim hold that food prepared with this leniency is not kosher. This is the view of the Rashba, Ran, Ritva, and RiVash, among others. The Shulchan Aruch too clearly prohibits food that was prepared by an eino Yehudi when only the fire was lit by a Yehudi. It should also be noted that none of the other Rishonim mention any hint of such a leniency in their codes. Not the Rif, the Rosh, nor the Rambam.

THE VIEW OF THE VILNA GAON

The Vilna Gaon writes that food prepared with this leniency is not kosher. The Vilna Gaon identifies the source of the Rema’s leniency in regard to when the Jew had stoked the fire. He states that the Rema’s ruling was based on the idea found in the Talmud in Tractate Shavuos that when someone else other than a kohain brings a korban onto the fire, he is liable with his life. This is true even when the non-kohain merely sped up the cooking process by stoking the fire. The Vilna Gaon writes that the Rema’s extension of this idea to include just lighting the fire for cooking is incorrect. The Vilna Gaon would thus not have eaten at any one of our restaurants that rely on this leniency.

OTHER ACHARONIM

A few Acharonim, including the Chayei Adam, write that we should avoid relying upon this leniency if possible. The TaZ also writes that this leniency of the Rema should only be relied upon in the home of a Yisrael, but otherwise, it should not be relied upon. Indeed, when the author of the Levush, Rabbi Mordechai Yaffe, a student of the Rema himself, reformulated the ruling, he left out the words employed by his teacher in the original formulation, “and this is how we rule.” The implication is that the Levush himself was uncomfortable with it.

RAV CHAIM KANIEVSKY’S VIEW

This author posed the question to Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita.

בחו”ל כל וועד של כשרות סומכים לכתחילה על היתר הדלקת האש של הרמ”א [וזהו שלא כהחיי אדם והגר”א].

האם ראוי להם להחמיר – או אינו כדאי?

In America, every Vaad HaKashrus relies lechatchila on the leniency of the Ramah of a Jew lighting the pilot light to stop bishul akum.  This is not in accordance with the Chayei Adam and the Vilna Gaon.  Should they be stringent or is it not worthwhile?

ראוי להחמיר.

We see that it is the Gadol HaDor’s view that our kashrus agencies should adopt the Vilna Gaon’s view ideally, and, ideally, not rely on the leniency mentioned in the Ramah.

ADDITIONAL BENEFITS

Avoiding this leniency would provide necessary jobs for Jewish youth as well as Jewish men who are out of work. Very few jobs are available for young Jewish men and women who are not in college or studying in yeshiva. If we, as a community were to try to avoid this leniency, then jobs in the local cooking industries would open up. An extra 30 to 40 jobs in our neighborhood alone would be a tremendous boon to those looking for work.

It would cause an overall improvement to our kashrus standards and help prevent people from stumbling in this area of halachic observance. The reality is that in many homes in the neighborhood, cooking is done by einam Yehudim, even with ovens that do not have pilot lights, with the result that bishul akum is virtually ignored in our neighborhoods. Part of the reason why they take it so lightly is that they do not see the restaurants observing this either. If our local Vaads would upgrade this standard, the change would be readily identifiable – and people would realize the seriousness of this halachah.

It would show that we also care that our Sephardic brethren can keep kosher in our establishments as well. It is unfortunate that in this area we have established our kashrus standards to meet only the requirements of Ashkenazic Jews who hold of the leniency, while ignoring the needs and requirements of our Sephardic brethren. This is perplexing because we do often accommodate those who observe chalav Yisrael at a much greater expense, even though the majority of local residents do not exclusively eat chalav Yisrael. Why have we not been as accommodating toward Sephardim?

COUNTER-ARGUMENTS

A counterargument. One might counter that in a restaurant setting, it is not highly likely that bishul akum would result in intermarriage.  Also, there is an additional expense involved here.

While this may be true, we must consider that the sages who enacted the protective fences of Judaism were much wiser than we are. Aside from the respect that we must have for halachah itself, there are also farther-reaching repercussions to consider. The issue of laxity involving the bishul akum of household help is serious and has, unfortunately, led to some serious lapses.  Also, it is Rav Chaim Kanievsky’s opinion that we should make the move.  So why shouldn’t we do so?

NOT ATTACKING THE RAMAH

This article is not stating that the Rema should not be relied upon even b’dieved. We should not question a lenient ruling that has become part of the mesorah of K’lal Yisrael. But there is no loss involved in following the ruling of the Vilna Gaon and the Gadol Hador.  This article is advocating improving the standard so that we can observe the laws of kashrus l’chatchilah, in the best manner possible. The Midrash tells us (Shir HaShirim Rabbah) that, at least according to one opinion, the entire episode of the rise of Haman happened because we were lax in the area of bishul akum at the initial party made by Achashverosh.

We can only stand to benefit by upgrading our observance of this aspect of kashrus. We can perhaps even add the following four-word acronym to existing hechshereim: BYLH – Bishul Yisroel lechol hadayos.

The author can be reached at [email protected]


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Leave kashrus for the kashrus agencies
Leave kashrus for the kashrus agencies
2 years ago

Once again the author steps over the line. You want to have this discussion, how about having the poskim of the major recommended agencies answer. This is a “drive by” psak because you have your day without actually discussing it.

Tzvi
Tzvi
2 years ago

Who delegated this Rabbi to ask Rav Chaim on our behalf?

Y.M.
Y.M.
2 years ago

The first abbreviation in the Hebrew text does not translate to “In America”. It translates to, “Outside of the Land [of Israel]”.

chaim
chaim
2 years ago

We have been giving sefardim the short end of the stick for years.

Aviva
Aviva
2 years ago

Actually, the Vilna Gaon did eat in restaurants all the time. And so did everyone else who travelled. Look at Morgenstern’s biography before you assume that the current restaurants are what always was. Jews owned them

Bilkes
Bilkes
2 years ago

An overlooked aspect is our mesorah and tradition. Most of us have/had European parents/grandparents with laws and customs transmitted to us .
My guess is that Yidden lit fires per Ramah in the majority of cases for years if not centuries. The kashrut establishments didn’t invent this out of thin air. Why is this suddenly an issue ?

Noteh
Noteh
2 years ago

How does Bishul Akim make us a light to Goyim? It happens to be very hurtful to them. Because all other non-kosher food, it is the ingredients that cause it to be non-kosher. Here, it’s them as a certain kind of a human, that renders the food unclean.

z h
z h
2 years ago

He said ראוי להחמיר, he didn’t say that restaurants should change their policies, or va’adei Kashrus.
Chumros are for individuals, not communities. If a person sees a ראוי להחמיר as binding on himself, he should not eat items that have this issue.

Yosef
Yosef
2 years ago

Yes we should be a light to the Nations. Therefore it is so important that we have the proper caring and Sincere empathy for every decent person whether a Yid or a Non-yid.
This will bring us much more closer to “Ohr Lagoyim”, than lighting the pilot.

Oh vei
Oh vei
2 years ago

ובני ישראל יוצאים ביד רמ״ה
The Hungarian מסורה and the תלמידי חת״ס as well as the Poskim in Poland,all went completely with the רמ״א
The Litvish world went with the חומרות of the גר״א
For most of our communities who are coming from Hungarian,polish areas, the מסורה and the דרך הפסק was to rely completely on the רמ״א.

This article is just for Yeshivishe who are coming from a real litvish background for them it’s ראוי להחמיר.

Truth
Truth
2 years ago

There are much bigger issues than this one, especially in Rabbi Hoffman’s neck of the woods.

You can start with tolaim which involves many, many “lavin” per dish. With no oversite- just trusting the Kashrus Administrator that he knows what he’s doing.

Bishul Akum on Tuna. Eateries owned and operated by non Yehudim, or Yehudim mechalelei Shabbos with full access to their kitchens.

At least in this article’s issue there is a Rama to really on.

Sammy
Sammy
2 years ago

Many American agencies have actually taken it a step further by allowing the use of heat elements, glow plugs, light bulbs, etc. “Shelo b’mikom ha’eish”
Halevai they relied only on pilot lights

Let's get real
Let's get real
2 years ago

“The Vilna Gaon would thus not have eaten at any one of our restaurants that rely on this leniency.”

The GR”A ZY”A was not a restaurant goer בכלל.

Hillel Raymon
Hillel Raymon
2 years ago

The purpose of kashrus laws is not to “provide necessary jobs for Jewish youth”. That is a totally irrelevant consideration. On the other hand, the cost of enforcing this chumrah would drive many kosher establishments out of business, i.e., a hefsed merubah. Is that not a more relevant consideration?

Sean
Sean
2 years ago

To disparage a practice of Klal Yisroel is no simple feat. With tremendous respect to Rav Chaim Shlita, we had Gedolim in America that where ok with this practice.
Also with you starting with “ohr amim” is funny. It’s the wrong phrase & secondly the whole ohr legoyim has been misconstrued.

Sam Aish
Sam Aish
2 years ago

Thank you for this important article. Minor criticism: I don’t think you had to write in your letter to Rabbi Kanievski “וזהו שלא כהחיי אדם והגר”א” he’s well aware…

Rachamim
Rachamim
2 years ago

I agree with the Rabbi that people minimize the kashrut needs of sfaradim. Whenever it is brought up people make fun of us that there are more important things to discuss. They make us feel like second class people. Imagine, living in a world where only the ashkenazim matter, We are a growing community – we are people. We have needs too. But just watch. O am sure there are people that will disrespect our entire communties needs. It is pure and pure racism.