LISTEN: David Lichtenstein Destroys Left-Wing Narrative On Abortion While Debating Activist

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MONSEY (VINnews) — On his most recent episode of the “Halacha Headlines” Podcast, host David Lichtenstein discussed the timely issue of abortion in halacha.

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In addition to Rav Moshe Shternbuch of the Badatz Eidah Charedis and Rav Dovid Cohen of Gvul Yaavetz in Brooklyn, Mr. Lichtenstein interviewed reform Jewish pro-abortion activist Mara Nathan of San Antonio, to argue in favor of abortion.

When asked how she can justify extinguishing a healthy fetus that, if left alone, would become a healthy human, Nathan responded that she has a “different starting point”. Her “focus is on the autonomy of a woman to make a decision about her own body.”

Mr. Lichtenstein responded by asking about the legal prohibitions on things like taking drugs and prostitution. If people have full autonomy on their bodies, why do states have the right to prohibit hard drugs and prostitution?

Nathan’s response was a lengthy silence, followed by a bit of stammering. Then she replied: “I don’t know anyone who thinks that abortion is a good thing or a positive thing. But many of us have to make hard choices, and it’s unclear to me why the US wants to legislate what a woman can do with her own body.” (She did not address the strong proof that neither men nor women have autonomy over their bodies.)

Mr. Lichtenstein later observed that 63 million fetuses have been aborted since Roe v. Wade, and while some may have been due to difficult circumstances which were against the will of the mother, there have certainly been millions of scenarios where women were irresponsible and aborted their child with no good reason or justification.

Mr. Lichtenstein then got Nathan to agree that she opposes abortion in the third trimester, because the baby is viable. He then asked her, “What about a woman’s autonomy over her own body?”

He emphasized the point that obviously the real issue is not autonomy over a woman’s right to choose, but rather a fundamental discussion over when life begins.

Following the interview, Mr Lichtenstein made the observation that while the “autonomy” argument may sound appealing, it clearly is not a rational argument. People do not have autonomy to wear what they want, take the drugs they want, or commit medically-assisted suicide. Autonomy is a hijacked term, and the real question is, does your autonomy, which is clearly limited, allow you to kill an unborn fetus?

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