Williamsburg Satmar Rebbe: Belz Are ‘Thrusting A Sword Into Talmud Torahs’

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NEW YORK (VINnews) — On the occasion of the yahrzeit of his Great grandfather, Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum, Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda (Zalman Leib) Teitelbaum, Satmar rebbe of Williamsburg, sharply attacked the Belz chasidim who recently reached an agreement with the Israeli Ministry of Education. The agreement will provide special budgets for Belz educational institutions which maintain certain criteria, including higher-level secular studies.

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The rebbe said in a Tuesday evening speech that “in our great sins, we see that the things foreseen by the Rebbe Zts’l (referring to the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum) 40 years ago regarding the prohibition of joining atheists and evil apikorsim by receiving budgets from the government, which he called ‘bribes’, have become reality.

“Unfortunately, in recent times those who broke ranks and joined them have deteriorated further to the point that they agreed to place their fate in the hands of the secular government and committed to studying their curriculum in their Talmudei Torah, thrusting a sword into the Torah study of children and bringing impurity into the holy sanctuary, in a way which never happened before.

“We see that things which the tzadikim warned about 40 years ago regarding maintaining alliances with evil people, which were mocked and despised by many, we now see what is happening when Talmud Torah is placed in the hands of the forces of impurity.”

The Admor quoted the Bilgoray Rav, brother of the Belzer Rebbe Zts’l and father of the current rebbe, who said that “Al Tigu B’Mshichai’- ‘don’t touch my annointed ones’ – refers to children in Talmud Torah. The Admor said that his father had understood this to mean that Moshiach will come from a child in Talmud Torah and not an angel from heaven and therefore any minor deviation in the traditional way of education can harm the future Moshiach.


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YITZCHOKLEVI
YITZCHOKLEVI
1 year ago

I would accept the Rebbes criticism of Belz better, if Satmar did not support political candidates here that supprt a “woke” agenda because of money promised to them.

Smonsey
Smonsey
1 year ago

Sounds like he forgot he just endorsed Hochul and her Toaivah agenda

Aguttenshabbos
Aguttenshabbos
1 year ago

Uh, ehem (clearing throat). It’s almost like endorsing and voting for dirty Democrats, just for their promise to give to mosdos and other “programs”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Aguttenshabbos
Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

He should not be criticizing the Belzer Rebbe. Th Belzer Rebbe is very smart, intelligent, and a very realistic person. Making a deal to get funding for teaching a minimum of Math and English is brilliant, Firstly it is extremely important today for the bochurim and girls to know these subjects as it will surely help them with parnossa later on in life. Secondly, getting the funding because of this to help fund his mosdos is great. Parents can’t afford to pay the costs of their children’s education, so he is getting his share of tax dollars to help – no different than what we are trying so hard to get here in USA (including Satmar).
Nor is it any different than Chinuch Atzmai taking these funds to support their mosdos. For them it’s kosher but when Belz wants the same it’s treif. (Shame on the Litvaks for condemning Belz when they are doing the same).
Why was it kosher for his father z”l to take the funding for special ed even though it required to agree not to say and teach anything to do with Yiddishkeit (including saying modeh ani or shema with the kids). We didn’t forget the tumult that he caused then in the frum circles. Did Reb Zalman Leib forget this?
The Belzer Rebbe is correct and no one has any right to criticize him.

Rebbe Shmebe
Rebbe Shmebe
1 year ago

Other then being a son of a nephew of the old Satamer Rebbe what gives him the authority to knock others in the three weeks?

You want to preach, lets learn some Chafets Chaim together, or lets learn about Machlokes.

What does he have on his resume?

Last edited 1 year ago by Rebbe Shmebe
Yitzchok Goldson
Yitzchok Goldson
1 year ago

All political. How much money does Satmar get from the goyish government in the US – {“PROGRAMS?

think
think
1 year ago

He can’t stand that Belz will now rake in millions in government funds

Never mind that Belz will not do a shingle thing that is required of them to get these funds. as it is all they have to do it teach English, Math and Hebrew

Now lets see, they all already know how to speak Hebrew, Math is good to know & uncontroversial, and all American belzer (and.. Satmerer) can speak basic English anyhow.

In short belz is getting millions for doing nothing. and that doesn’t sit well with the Satmar Rebbe.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Here we go again!!!
Why does anybody even pay attention to this guy.!!!

Bann
Bann
1 year ago

Just erev the 9 days. Sad.

Aguttenshabbos
Aguttenshabbos
1 year ago

Easy to say when Satmar institutions are getting big fat government monies from the US government. This Rebbe May very well do the same exact thing if he was in the situation of survive or thrive. ………….אל תדין את חברך

Last edited 1 year ago by Aguttenshabbos
Libs are crack babies
Libs are crack babies
1 year ago

Hypocrite!

Go Figure
Go Figure
1 year ago

Satmar, when not fighting between themselves has long been fighting against Belz. Nothing new. Who cares.

Triumpinwhitehouse
Triumpinwhitehouse
1 year ago

Pinny ringel is belz. Satmar are the 1st to support toeiva kathy fjcc hochul

UTA LAkewood
UTA LAkewood
1 year ago

Is this the same UTA leader that begged Belz to accept their high school girls when it closed down?

Satmar English teacher
Satmar English teacher
1 year ago

And Satmar Schools are thrusting swords into kids, by beating the living crap out of them.

Shammai
Shammai
1 year ago

Belz is correct
giving the Medina a chance to accrue great Zechus fir supporting Torah

jack from Toms River
jack from Toms River
1 year ago

the two Satmar brothers are frauds. I invite all readers to watch all 8 parts of “Satmar in Court” Youtube proceedings of the infamous lawsuit between the two brothers. Where in the history of Torah Judiasm do you see two brothers suing each other in secular court, their legal representatives devoid of Torah values and their legal arguments lacking any Halachic basis. It’s a sham and a shame.

shloime
shloime
1 year ago

more education can do harm?! that is not something that jews have ever said. the ghetto was imposed on us by antisemitic non-jews, and now it is being enforced by jews. the szatmar have never recovered from the terrible mistakes of ww2, and cling to the idea of anti-zionism as if sin’at hinam can justify the past. even on tisha b’av.

LGB
LGB
1 year ago

Sometimes it’s better to say nothing. Why’s he stirring the pot?

Jacob
Jacob
1 year ago

Should Satmar really care about כבוד שמים they would’ve done exactly what Lubavitch does… Be Mekarev every Jew, spread love and the word of Hashem to every corner of the world… this culture of hate, closing streets, protests etc etc.. has turned away millions from looking at Yiddishkeit. Such a losing proposition!
According to Satmar, Belz should have all been OTD some 40 years ago at argument #1 , what a JOKE.. who can take these guys seriously. . but again.. the facts dont matter to them, they’re not serious about their fight, these outbursts are purely cultural for them… these are not serious people.
From the other hand, the Belzer Rav is a highly respectable figure with an open mind and keen understanding of the needs of our generation.. looked up upon by Jews of all walks of life, Sefardim, Litvakes, Chasidim, Secular, he’s shown the path for Chasidim in so many ways, education, organization, a giant personality that brought stability and normalcy to the Chasidishe world, directly or indirectly.

A REAL YID
A REAL YID
1 year ago

More charedi infighting. Feh

Vocalist
Vocalist
1 year ago

It’s quite obvious that no one here, including the editor of this article, has listened to the drasha of the Belze Ruv in its entirety.

Bob
Bob
1 year ago

How is this not Loshon Hora?

Jacob
Jacob
1 year ago

It’s really heartbreaking that Satmar, a Kehila with such exceptional capabilities (at least as much as Lubavitch) has spent the past 75 years on what?? on what?? on spreading hate on anything Jewish, they successfully developed a rift between the secular Jews all around the world and so-called frum Jews, to a degree that a secular Jew in Israel will not spit on the side of Orthodoxy, all to the detriment of the Teshuva movement.
Just imagine what force of good Satmar could have been by spreading love and be Me’Karev secular Jews as so many others did (Lubavitch, Belz, Litvak) all under the guise of Kanu’es, theoretical old-fashioned ideas that have no place and connection with current conditions on the ground.
Name me please 1 orthodox Jew that left Judaism for Zionism? I can name you 100’s of Yoly’s that are sunken into Gashmiyus till their eyeballs, Satmar has very few qualities to compete with any of the standing communities today so you’ll keep hearing this out-of-touch jibberish time and time again.

Xchusid
Xchusid
1 year ago

Most comments are just haters to both sides.
There is a very thin line between the 2 and most of you won’t get it. Especially if the facts weren’t given. The satmere rebbe is not that monster you all make him just because he gave his comment. All these stuff are old stuff resurfacing every once in a while. In the end of the day satmer and belz are great communities and came a long way. I still know a lot of people from both sides they all have lot to give. They are here to help regardless of what you believe in.

Maven
Maven
1 year ago

Correction! VIN did not post the drift of the speech.

The Belze Rebbe in Israel said a few weeks ago in a speech that his uncle the Tzadik the Belze Rebbe Z’L said that a Jewish state prior the coming of Moshicah is necessary and nothing wrong about it.

On this the Satmar Rebbe R’ Zalmen Leib said that it is not true and false and to make up such a false statement on a Tzadik can only happen if you hand over your institutions to the Zionist government doing what they require all because of money they give.

5TResident
Noble Member
5TResident
1 year ago

What does this mean?

“Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum, Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda (Zalman Leib) Teitelbaum, Satmar rebbe of Williamsburg,”

Is his name Yekusiel Yehuda or Zalman Leib?

Mr.Me
Mr.Me
1 year ago

The rebbe is morally obligated to speak up when the Rebbe feels the ideals of the rebbe s ancestors are being compromised

Torah Jew
Torah Jew
1 year ago

It’s a geferlicha בושה that Belz spoke אפיקורסוס mamash. Unfortunately, the Rav of Satmar today isn’t coming out clear on Belz transgressions.
We live in “smartphone” era where no one really cares on the REAL thing thats apikorsos mamash. Smartphones is a much more convenient yidishkeit than to have to fight for survival against the clutches of Zionism.
Its a shanda to Belz and to every erlicha yid.

Sad
Sad
1 year ago

Moshiach will come from a Talmud Torah? So his health department won’t be run by top doctors but by someone who’s great at finding the 2 disgraced doctors on Google who disagree with all other doctors? His economic dept will be run by a Chasid who got rich through being a slumlord & welfare fraud? His buildings dept will be run by a Charedi with no engineering training who for a few Sheqels says, “I’m sure it’ll be OK?” The Fire dept will allow 100 kids to be shoved into a private house for Cheder because, “Torah learning protects us”?
Please Hashem, whatever you do, don’t bring Moshiach.

Last edited 1 year ago by Sad
Normal
Normal
1 year ago

With all due respect, how many kids will frei out when they hear all this shtus from their leaders? No wonder a frum Jew introduced polio into the USA, not to mention the measles outbreak 3 years ago, did I mention Covid cases, because our Gedolim are anti-vaxxers? And then the kids grow up and realize everything they have been told has been made up in the last 50 years and is rubbish and hapach hatorah?

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

read through the comments first, and then see who’s talking lashan hora! A bunch of anti semites!!! It is obviously wrong to have an own medina! Its different than America, because America is not a self taken anti torah state. Yidden are not supposed to free themselves alone. We should all long for moshiach.
Why do think there’s blood every day in isreal????

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Wow, so much (reflexive idolatrous/Zionist?) anti-Satmar hate during the three weeks?

This Satmar Rebbe is, of course, 100% right that those people taking Zionist money is a big problem and a very bad idea, especially when it comes to chinuch, any level, and particularly at the cheder level.

American issues, like supporting toeiva politicians for money or other reasons, are unrelated and irrelevant to what he stated.