OK Kosher Releases Updated Statement In The Wake Of Kashrus Scandal At Manalapan Kosher Chinese

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Justice
Justice
1 year ago

The owner should be arrested and charged with fraud. Show people that kashrus violaterswill pay.

jay
jay
1 year ago

That’s why people say that its more important to know who the owner is than who the kashrus agency is… But obviously we’ve heard unfortunate stories by reputable people but as a general rule its not a bad barrier and not an easy one either…

On a side note, as soon as the owner was caught buying non kosher meat in the first incident, that should have raised a serious red flag. in my opinion this doesn’t make any sense to me… To out it in perspective, G-D forbid if you see the owner of a kosher restaurant having his hands on non kosher meat, I think anyone would stand far away for that establishment…

Abba
Abba
1 year ago

I never ate there. But the what really stands out is the line in the letter “…it seems that the products were somehow snuck in during operational hours…” , the OK failed here. Miserablely.

You, as a Hechsher are supposed to prevent that. You lost my trust.

Last edited 1 year ago by Abba
Mark
Mark
1 year ago

Progress has been made with this letter, but they still haven’t given a proper apology for failing the consumer and what precautions they will take so next time doesn’t happen. I always ate almost all hashgachos, but I certainly will think twice about eating OK in the future do to their complete lack of taking responsibility for this fiasco.

Emes
Emes
1 year ago

My question is regarding the infamous video showing him loading his car at the wholesale place.
First, who took the video?
Was it someone hired by OK labs to spy on him, or just any person who took it upon themselves and submitted it.
Because it seems that, this was the smoking gun, and so if not for that video, were the OK mashgichim that out of touch to not put 1 + 1 together and figure it out? And this would have gone on forever?

Avi
Avi
1 year ago

You had one job!!!!!

ruby
ruby
1 year ago
  1. this is a terrible story ,
  2. yet it is impossible for any certification or business of any sort to be 100% correct 100% of the time and thats why halacha has concepts of chazakah & rov
  3. the idea that heads need to roll anytime there is a major mess up is not a torah concept, the idea that someone has to publicly apologize … is a new culture no one owes you more than who they are..( the ok is not bnei brak & u know it)
  4. many yidden would eat in this restaraunt yet others would not why?
  5. there is a understanding between us the customer , the company and hechsher… that each needs to do the proper thing, its unrealistic for anyone to think that any hechsher cant ever be duped..there are yidden that are way more stringent & limit where they eat & what they order..the rest of us “rely” and eat…its more convient and as a regular guy we dont really have a good way of knowing whats better
  6. as an example you go to your supermarket and there re chickens from 6 companies can you list the differences between kj & d elliot?
Chaim Setton
Chaim Setton
1 year ago

Rabbosei this is a wake up call for all of us to strengthen our kashrus.
Terrible situation!

Having been very involved in kashrus (not OK) I can tell you this can have happened under most if not all hashgachos. Shulchan Aruch and Poskim establish halachos and guidelines to prevent these situations as much as possible, but the possibility for corruption, lies, and decietful people exists. The safest bet it to eat at home.

yehuda Shain
yehuda Shain
1 year ago

When finkel/shevac=vach was caught selling treif in monsey HE WAS A FROM YID SAID A DAF YOMI.
Doheny in Los Angeles sellig treif-also a frum yid.
Netzach-a frum yid.
The recent story in england 2-3 stores selling treif, also a yid.
wake up and smell the coffee.
Lakewood still has it’s own share of those same issues, don’t fool yourself.

Could Be
Could Be
1 year ago

Question: Am I understanding this right? Once the video was out there, but it was determined that the owner did not manage to sneak the treif products in, the ok let them re-open (albeit with additional restrictions), but did not let the consumers know at that point that there is a problem and eat there at your own risk?
Not trying to cast blame, and I hope that I’m wrong, but I’m just trying to understand the sequence of events.

Voice of reason
Voice of reason
1 year ago

Unfortunately this is not the first time a hashgocha doesn’t take any blame for wrongdoings, it’s very simple that if he served non kosher meat it was big amounts, and for the ok to state that it was small amounts is naive at best or misleading at worst,

Lester
Lester
1 year ago

We have to back to Europe standards. If you wouldn’t eat in owners house don’t eat in his restaurant. Goyish…Asian …fpheaah

A.W.
A.W.
1 year ago

You want to check a businesses kashru….lift the cover to the garbage, empty boxes dont lie. Receipts can be forged. Whats in the garbage will tell you whats on your plate.

Heshy B.
Heshy B.
1 year ago

Thank you OK for clarifying this.

I need to say that seeing Rabbi Kalman Winfield on the board of Rabbis tells me that they are of a very high caliber. Rabbi Weinfeld is a tremendous Talmid Chochom and real Yiras Shomayim.

stfu
stfu
1 year ago

they literally caught him and released him, just like the bail reform laws.

The OK had him, knew he did something wrong and closed the restaurant, and then reopened it again!

ray
ray
1 year ago

Can I dispute a credit card charge for a meal I bought here?

avi
avi
1 year ago

SHAME ON YOU OK (“KOSHER”) TREIF LABORATORY
I CAN NEVER FORGIVE YOU, NOT ON THIS WORLD NOR IN THE NEXT WORLD FOR THE TIMTUM HALEV YOU DIRECTLY CAUSED ME OF EATING TREIF MAY HASHEM PAY ALL OF YOU RESPONSIBLE PARTIES FOR CAUSING FRUM YIDIN TO BE NICHSCHOEL IN TARFES BOTH ON THIS WORLD AND THE NEXT WORLD !
THE AGMAS NEFESH AND PHYSICAL PAIN AND ANGUISH YOU ARE CURRENTLY CAUSING 1000’S OF PEOPLE, RIGHT BEFORE YOM HADIN CANT BE PUT INTO WORDS
YOU BEAR THE FULL RESPONSIBILTY FOR THIS, YOU WERE WARNED MANY TIMES AND YOU DROPPED THE BALL CHOOSING TO IGNORE THE SIGNS AND WARNINGS
YOUR WHOLE ORGANIZATION SHOULD CLOSE DOWN. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN KASHRUS PERIOD.
YOU OWE THE PUBLIC MORE THEN A BELATED LETTER. IVE BEEN TRYING TO REACH A LIVE PERSON AT YOUR OFFICE #’S FOR 3 DAYS NO ONE ANSWERS
YOU LEAVE ME NO CHOICE BUT TO EXPRESS MYSELF IN THS PUBLIC FORUM

Chaim Ben Asher
Chaim Ben Asher
1 year ago

Very dissapointing letter. The OK offers no apology for dissapointing the tzibbur who put their trust in the organization. There is no statement about investigating how such a terrible mess-up was possible, and no mention of reevaluating procedures to make sure this never happens again. To deserve the public’s trust there must be accountability!

Yosef
Yosef
1 year ago

Who paid the mashgichim I wonder. When you let the restaurant pay the mashgiach you make him subservient to the owner and own a can of worms

yehuda Shain
yehuda Shain
1 year ago

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Kopster
Kopster
1 year ago

Anyone knows the other store names of this owner

Triumpinwhitehouse
Triumpinwhitehouse
1 year ago

They failed in their ONE job

Benny
Benny
1 year ago

Oy vey

Voice of reason
Voice of reason
1 year ago

This letter is written by very naive people,

Marcia
Marcia
1 year ago

I live right there and never ate there thank goodness

Dead horse
Dead horse
1 year ago

Can you stop beating me please?

aribp
aribp
1 year ago

2 things I really don’t understand how in the world these rabunim to begin with will give a hechsher to a straight GoYatz that has zero knowledge of Yiddishkeit or kashrut. These hechsher should also be closing down to my opinion

And secondly I’d never eat in a goyish resataurant. Eewww. That’s what comes to use “kosher chazer fiesel “

Educated Archy
Educated Archy
1 year ago

The OK should be sued

Bella
Bella
1 year ago

I walked into a restaurant & saw the Mashgiach Davening Mincha. I watched him for a minute. After not seeing vigorous Shuckling, eyes closed tight enough, & very few “Thumb Dips” I turned around and left.