Analyzing the New York Times Hatchet Job Against Yeshivos

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By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for 5TJT.com

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The New York Times has written a one-sided attack against the Yeshiva and Torah community that is so filled with inaccuracies and half-stories that it is reminiscent of Tsarist-era attack on the great institutions of Volozhin and other Yeshivos, started by Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin – student of the Vilna Gaon.

With apologies to Elizabeth Barrett Browning, the article would have been more aptly titled, “How do I hate thee? Let Me Count the Ways..”

  1. The NYT writes: “The Hasidic Jewish community has long operated one of New York’s largest private schools on its own terms, resisting any outside scrutiny of how its students are faring.” –

This is grossly inaccurate, as the Hasidic Jewish community is not one monolithic entity, but a number of independent Hasidic groups.  NYT lumping them all together is not only inaccurate but it seems designed to pander to hate groups – creating a THEM versus us mindset.

  1. The NYT writes: But in 2019, the school, the Central United Talmudical Academy, agreed to give state standardized tests in reading and math to more than 1,000 students. Every one of them failed.

What the NYT failed to point out is that The National Center for Fair & Open Testing issued a report that tallies cases of cheating on standardized tests in 37 states across the country.  How do the public schools in the report cheat?

  1. – Encourage teachers to view upcoming test forms before they are administered.
  2. – Exclude likely low-scorers from enrolling in school.
  3. – Drill students on actual upcoming test items.
  4. – Use thumbs-up/thumbs-down signals to indicate right and wrong responses.
  5. – Erase erroneous responses and insert correct ones.
  6. – Report low-scorers as having been absent on testing day.

This particular school did none of that.  What is egregious about the article is that there is no mention of this at all anywhere in the article.  Why is that?  Perhaps it is about the timing.  New York State Board of Regents plans to vote on Monday as to whether to adopt equivalency guidelines for Yeshivos.

  1. The NYT writes: Students at nearly a dozen other schools run by the Hasidic community recorded similarly dismal outcomes that year, a pattern that under ordinary circumstances would signal an education system in crisis. But where other schools might be struggling because of underfunding or mismanagement, these schools are different. They are failing by design.

It must be pointed out that the pass rate of a nearby public school was in the high forty percentile – and that is with the cheating that everyone seems to be ignoring.  Is there something rotten in the State of the New York Times here?  Why is there no indictment or investigation of the public schools system that is a direct product of the New York Board of Regents?  Could it possibly be for the same reason that the New York Times has attacked the religious Jewish community for decades?

  1. The NYT writes: The leaders of New York’s Hasidic community have built scores of private schools.. they drill students relentlessly, sometimes brutally, during hours of religious lessons conducted in Yiddish.

Really, brutally?  Was there an internal board meeting of the NYT brass to create a boogeyman here?  There are states in this country such as Louisiana, Georgia, and North Carolina that do allow corporal punishment in the public school system and since 1985, New York state has not.  But there is no law against it regarding private schools.  Does it happen in some Hasidic yeshivos?  Yes, but it is rare.  The NYT article however included this to create a caricature of “those evil Hasidics..”

  1. The NYT writes: The result, a New York Times investigation has found, is that generations of children have been systematically denied a basic education, trapping many of them in a cycle of joblessness and dependency.

Really?  Trapped in a cycle of joblessness?  Let’s break down New York City’s joblessness rates, shall we? According to US Census Bureau data conducted this decade, 19% in the Fordham/Morris Heights area of the Bronx (District 14) in 2013. The top five City Council districts for highest unemployment were Districts 14, 15, 16, and 17 in the south and central West Bronx, and District 10 in north Manhattan.  Hasidic Jews are by and large employed or studying.  Many of their wages are low, true, but the focus of this ethnic community is to enter into business and they do that from the ground up.

  1. The NYT writes: The Segregated by gender, the Hasidic system fails most starkly in its more than 100 schools for boys. Spread across Brooklyn and the lower Hudson Valley, the schools turn out thousands of students each year who are unprepared to navigate the outside world..The schools appear to be operating in violation of state laws that guarantee children an adequate education.

Of course, the New York Times states categorically that the rigors of Talmudic reasoning and deduction is “inadequate.”  But even the neo-Nazi movement’s favorite academic, professor Kevin Macdonald, a psychology professor at California State University, Long Beach, has written that Talmudic education has created a system that sharpens the minds of its students and by virtue of the fact that the best minds are sought after economically by would be fathers-in-law, it has created through evolutionary processes a people that test some twenty points higher on Alfred Binet’s standard tests

  1. The NYT writes: The Times found that “the Hasidic boys’ schools have found ways of tapping into enormous sums of government money, collecting more than $1 billion in the past four years alone.”

There is the boogeyman again.  It is nice to mention the word “Billion.”  It is scary and causes people to cry, “Thieves!  You are stealing our money!!”  But let’s just do the math here.  Assuming that these schools have 100,000 students that comes out to $2500 per child.  How much does the New York City public school system pay for each child?  It is $28,004.00.  And again, no mention of this at all in the article.

  1. Warned about the problems over the years, city and state officials have avoided taking action, bowing to the influence of Hasidic leaders who push their followers to vote as a bloc and have made safeguarding the schools their top political priority.

Well, yeah.  Jewish education is as important to observant Jews as water is to fish.  And yes, Hasidic leaders push their constituents to vote.  My dear Grey Lady, is this statement an ad hominem attack on democracy itself?  Do you negate the very foundation of this country – in dismissing the voice of the democratic votes of people who hold their religion and observance dear to their hearts?  Are all votes created equal, but some votes are more equal than others?

For shame, New York Times, for shame.

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Yossi
Yossi
1 year ago

Bur where was the Agudah when we saw that the majority of the Chasidishe boys come out of school without knowing how to put together a decent paragraph or sentence written in English. Their choice of words, grammar and spelling is terrible.
Those Chasidishe Yeshivos are now spoiling it for the rest of us.

Zeldin4Gov
Zeldin4Gov
1 year ago

The debate is not whether Chasidic schools offer good secular education because we all know they don’t. It’s whether they should be forced to. The Times isn’t wrong in saying that chasidic schoolchildren can barely speak English.

Moishe
Moishe
1 year ago

Most of you are missing the point the question is is not if it’s true or not, even if it is true you don’t want your garbage being exposed in the open to the whole world everybody has their own issues but to publicize in the open and give an opportunity for Jew haters to jump on it that is what’s totally wrong.
Now Rabbi Hoffman’s point is not to compare to public schools that is not the issue the issue is why do you pick on yeshiva’s, no the New York times did not write an article criticizing public School stats, they may have wrote about it but not a full article attacking the system like they’re attacking the yeshivas now, and anyone that thinks for a second that they’re out there cuz they care about us is as blind and naive as it gets, they hate us and our way of life.

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Enough
Enough
1 year ago

Why are you shocked this rag has used the weekends to attack Jewry and isreal for the last 40 years. And now you are waking up

Yitz
Yitz
1 year ago

I’m so happy for this position taken by the governor’s office on yeshivas and a big yasher koach for the agudah s suggestion to vote for houchel and the satmar community for doing the same well done for selling your souls for the all mighty dollar

A REAL YID
A REAL YID
1 year ago

Pointing the finger at the public schools as a way of defending the Yeshiva complex doesn’t work. The Times has many times excoriated the public schools – so now its the Yeshivas turn. Right here on VIN, many times members of the “frum” kollel have bitterly criticized the Yeshivas. Should I list all the issues? We know what they are.

Torah
Torah
1 year ago

I shouldn’t be wasting my time here but for those who are not so clear in Torah hashkafa, here we go: From a Torah perspective, secular education is a means to end, not an end in itself. Throughout the generation many Gedolim have taken different approaches how to carefully introduce education with the appropriate measures and at the appropriate age and part of the hishdadlus of malamdo umnos. Whenever the nations of the world use any tactic to create a lower standard in our Torah values, regardless what their means and ways are, and regardless if we have an equal amount of criticism on some of our institutions, this is called Shaas Hashmad. The topic discussion is irrelevant. The only questions remains; what are we doing about our commitment to Torah! Kudos to the Agudah and anyone working in similar institutions who are fighting on behalf of Klal Yisroel! We need send one message to the Sonei Yisroel; we will stand united to defend the Torah and the Jewish people! Many people before have attempted to destroy us with all kinds of gezeros. They may have hurt us physically, financially or emotionally but, we the Jewish people together with the Torah will live on forever while those who oppress us will eventually fall by the waste side. Those who sympathies with our oppressors’ will not only not gain from it. They may end up with a similar fate as some of the bad guys. I challenge all those smart guys out there: Don’t take my word for it, study history, a little musar or chasidus, stop reading the apikorsus on line and you’ll come to the same conclusion.

Me myself
Me myself
1 year ago

It’s amazing the Hasidic community never does anything wrong. It’s everyone else!!! Just amazing!!

Conservative Carl
Conservative Carl
1 year ago
  1. The Hasidic community isn’t a monolithic entity, but that doesn’t make their statement false.
  2. This response is just whataboutism.
  3. I personally know too many people who have experienced this abuse to call it “rare,” and even if rare, it’s inexcusable.
  4. What the NYT failed to pick up on is that having a real job is seen as low status.
  5. “Sharpening the mind” is not the only or even the main purpose of schooling.
  6. Stealing even a penny is wrong.
  7. Using political power to refuse children education is wrong.

Note: I support a Jewish education for all frum children, and I believe that this effort is overall negative. However, all frum children should receive a full education including reading, writing, and arithmetic at the very least. This doesn’t in any way interfere with frumkeit. These skills are necessary in the workforce nowadays, and so, not providing them is like not teaching one’s son a trade. This is especially harmful for children who have learning challenges and can’t pick it up on their own. Hashem doesn’t want us to neglect our children’s needs.

Chaim
Chaim
1 year ago

What part of this is not 100% accurate?

Steven
Steven
1 year ago

Anyone that is stupid enough or dishonest enough to believe that this is about the government protecting children from the harms of ineducation, would have likely failed said education anyways. Just look at the recent lawsuits filed against YU which unarguably provides a secular education as robust as its religious curricula. This is all just about trying to wreak havoc on religion by secularizing it at its roots.

Rabbi Kolakowski
Rabbi Kolakowski
1 year ago

Amen. Thank you Rav Hoffman. Keep up the good work! The NYT has been not only an enemy of religion but of Jews in general, as they supported both the Communists and the Nazis over the decades.

Democrats support mutilating confused children.
Democrats support mutilating confused children.
1 year ago

Remember the democratic party hate religious Jews and ant to ban religious freedom and the NYTs is part of their propaganda arm.

Larry
Larry
1 year ago

I ama BT. I became Frum after getting a B.S.M.E. Then as I became religious I began to learn in yeshivas. I have learned now about 40 years in various yeshivas and kollels.

I experienced both secular learning and religious learning and I see clearly the difference.

Secular learning is based on memorizing what is taught and writing it down for the test. Subjectq matter varies between things needed for jobs and info about the world. Moral values are not taught, arguments with the teachers are not allowed. You are basically trained to fit in the mold.

Yeshiva learning is mind opening. You are trained in how to think and analyze information. The information taught is morally and ethically bound to make you a better person.

My boys learned only in cheders and yeshivas, when they got married they each found for themselves good jobs.

The NYT is a example of woke, liberal, atheist America at its worst.

Sam
Sam
1 year ago

Interesting. The comments are mostly pro New York Times. And those comments have lots of up votes. A few are pro Truth. And those have lots of down votes. Down votes here are a badge of honor.

Not sure what to think
Not sure what to think
1 year ago

Also, the Volozhin yeshiva didn’t close down because the czar wanted them to learn secular studies. They were okay with that and, indeed, cooperated for a time.
It was because they required a minimum of 6 hours of secular studies per day and that the yeshiva had to close after nightfall. So it would be impossible to operate a yeshiva in winter, and that’s why they had to close. This is all discussed at length by Rabbi JJ Schachter.
So these proposed regulations don’t come close to the reason the Volozhin yeshiva had to close.

Moish
Moish
1 year ago

Time for all yeshiva students to register for public school. Then we’ll see the out cry when everyone’s property taxes go up to fund it!

Paul Near Philadelphia
Paul Near Philadelphia
1 year ago

Seems Rabbi Hoffman has nothing to say, but wants to pound the table. What was factually wrong about the Times article?

Bubbie
Bubbie
1 year ago

Judging from his writing skill, I am certain that Rabbi Yair Hoffman isn’t a product of the chissidish schools discussed in the New York Times article.

Conflicted
Conflicted
1 year ago

I am very conflicted by this. On the one hand the Chillul Hashem and giving gasoline to anti semites is terrible. On the other hand, this is shedding light on a very important topic that will otherwise go ignored and will continue doing more damage to our children.
Think how much awareness there has been in the frum community since the revelations in the secular media regarding Chaim Walder. Although deeply shameful, many communities and institutions have taken concrete steps in protecting children since then.
So too here, I’m hoping that although it’s shameful to have our dirty laundry out in the public. Perhaps. we can look at the problem of poverty due to lack of education with fresh eyes and think creatively how to resolve this. Adequate secular education is not in conflict with Torah values. Our children deserve better.

Triumpinwhitehouse
Triumpinwhitehouse
1 year ago

Fjcc STILL supports hochul unbelievable

ysr
ysr
1 year ago

Yasher Koiach Rabbi Hoffman!

Paul Near Philadelphia
Paul Near Philadelphia
1 year ago

OK, so are people going to be upset because what they reported was true (and so the schools must be fixed) or will people be upset because the Times reported it (in which case, the schools need not be fixed)?

Seems to me a good starting point would be to make the regents’ test mandatory for all private schools.

Emes
Emes
1 year ago

Puleeeeze! Rabbi Hoffman you used to be good, lately even your halachic articles are often one sided.
I’ll give you a good example. A family member of mine used to work in a pediatric medical office in Williamsburg. Sometimes forms needed to be filled out. Usually the mothers brought the kids in but when the father’s came in instead she’d have a problem. The cooler dads filled out the forms. But when the more farfrumt dads showed up, well they’d look at the form, stare at it, krechtz a little like they weren’t sure what they were reading. Then say to the staff, uhhh when my wife comes in next time, she’ll fill it out. They didn’t want to admit that they had trouble reading the forms!

hard at work yeshiva grad
hard at work yeshiva grad
1 year ago

the modern day yevesektzia, yaffed, has much in common with its predecessor the hate- filled liars who run it can be compared to their predecessors in one important way. Rav Shwab writes that the koach of the yevesektzia was in their meirus nefesh for their horrible derech. Rav Shwab contends that it was the meisrus neefsh for emes of the Refuseniks that brought them down. — the dumyun is not complete since the yevesktzia was motivated by being brainwashed to fix the world with their communist ways while the mosters are motivated by pure, unadulterated hate. nevertheless, the lesson of the holy words of Rav Shwab is clear. the success of yaffed is clearly due to the devotion to hate of one man who relentlessly single handedly attacked our heilger yeshivos for 10 ears straight. to fight this peddler of hate and lies we must show the world our meirus nefesh for Torah and how much we love Torah and if need be, be moser nefesh and leave ny to a blue state that appreciates religion. let us learn from our hate filled oppressor the concept of mesiras nefesh for our Heiliger Torah and yeshivos.

 

Bruce H. Bernfeld
Bruce H. Bernfeld
1 year ago

Terrific study that may finally draw the lines CLEARLY!!
Pulitzer Prize for sure !!

Mark stein
Mark stein
1 year ago

Since when us lying acceptable?.
The New York times is 100% accurate.

Holy Moe
Holy Moe
1 year ago

Preaching to the choir.
I’ll bet the NYT will never allow this article to be printed as an op-ed.
The readers of the NYT and the board of regents should be presented with this article. We know the truth and don’t need it.

hard at work yeshiva grad
hard at work yeshiva grad
1 year ago

i am sure that much of nyt info came from the anti frum hate org, yaffed who specialize in rehashing old anti semitic stereotypes-jews control politicians, are smelly and uneducated, steal $ etc for shame, yaffed

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Phineas
Phineas
1 year ago

They back up what they say with interviews and statistics. It doesn’t tell hte whole story but there is obviously a problem in many of these yeshivas.

Enough is enough
Enough is enough
1 year ago

One thing is for sure, the two self-hating Jews that wrote this as well as the self-hating Jews that gave them the information including moser and his ilk, have a box seat waiting for them in hell.

And a note to The Good Rabbi, don’t agree with any of their premise because once you agree to something, it is as if you’re agree with everything.

Mmj
Mmj
1 year ago

I administered a state test while teaching at a chasidic school. The kids, who had decent skills in math and English, considered the test a waste of time. They also were not comfortable with the format. So they scribbled it up and put in random answers. If the state would have asked to see my syllabus, tests, and grades there would be a different picture.

Chaim P
Chaim P
1 year ago

oy

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hard at work yeshiva grad
hard at work yeshiva grad
1 year ago

i have heard from sources that the anti frum hate group yaffed has trolls posting their garbage n this site and putting in 20 thumbs up in 5 minutes.
nick, we are no fooled by your LIES 300,000 + of us rejected your hate that’s why you have to run to your nazi enablers at the nyt

anonymous
anonymous
1 year ago

I once taught “secular” clssses in a Yeshiva in Brooklyn. Midwood area. The place was chaotic, dirty, no order or decorum. Racism against minorities was openly talked by the teachers and rosh. Kids were disorderly and bored, and exhausted, yearning for something interesting and some better secular content. I pitied the kids. No phys ed, no outside experiences, just 12 hours climbing on top of each other. I was happy to quit after 4 months.

Dr. Alex Morales
Dr. Alex Morales
1 year ago

where’s the indignation from the NYT against the Amish?

I’ll wait.

think
think
1 year ago

1) The point was not if it monolithic or not, the point is “resisting any outside scrutiny of how its students are faring” a real response would be to respond “to the point”

2) Ok, cheating exists in other schools so o just fine that a full “0%” of our students failed. Really??

3) Wrong: the NYT has reported many times on cheating in public schools

4) NYT got this one wrong. Corporal punishment IS VERY RARE in out Chasidishe mosdos. they got this one very wrong!

5) “trapping many of them in a cycle of joblessness and dependency.” Sad but true. Whats the point in spinning this, don’t you care about us???

6) How does quoting a nazi professor remove the fact that many Chasidim shlep boxes in warehouses despite them having the best minds, they could have been doctors, saving lives, now they reduced to packing goy’s consumer goods in boxes. why?!

7) Its 50K students per the NYT report, that is still $5,000 far better than $28K but not the $2,500 you claim

8) NYT simply points out the fact, you say its our right to use our political power, fair enough, but why is the NYT not allowed to point it out?

Ben
Ben
1 year ago

Leshoona habooah begulusia

Paul Elihu
Paul Elihu
1 year ago

I’m an Orthodox Jew ,a retired physician . The charedim will claim the Times
piece is anti semitic, biased, and defamatory. It is none of these. The non- charedi Jewish community has an impossible task, to explain to our gentile neighbors that the people responsible for the conditions in the ultra – orthodox world are not Jews but members of a destructive cult that bears only a superficial resemblance to Judaism.
All of us are suffering for their sins.

Mark stein
Mark stein
1 year ago

We should just focus in trying to give our children a solid secular and jewish education especially when most of us are not even made to sit In chasidesh yeshiva(or any yeshiva)all day learning gemarah from 8am to 11 pm. Our rigorous YEHSIVA curriculum is not made for most of today’s bochorim and its completely dysfunctional. How can we put 100% of our population through a rigorous system equivalent to a Harvard education it’s not made for everyone

Conservative Carl
Conservative Carl
1 year ago

it is reminiscent of Tsarist-era attack on the great institutions of Volozhin and other Yeshivos, started by Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin

He didn’t start the attack as this implies.