KIRYAT GAT (VINnews) — A police commander visited the home of a Chassidic Rebbe to apologize for the police disrupting a Succos celebration.
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According to Charedi news outlet B’chadrei Charedim, Kiryat Gat station commander Michael Ohana visited the Karatshniff Rebbe on Erev Hoshana Rabbah to apologize for stopping a celebration held by the Chassidic court, after local residents complained about noise from his Beis Midrash after 11:00 PM, the source of which was a Simchas Bais Shoeva.
“The Rebbe is greatly appreciated in the city and we have no intention of disturbing,” the commander told the Rebbe. “But since there are those few who call the police frequently at every neighborhood event after 11 PM, we have to show up at the event,” he explained.
Later during the ‘Tish’, the Rebbe announced to his Chassidim that he was forgiving those (non-Chassidic0 locals who complained, adopting the same wording used for annulment of vows: “I want to say now to all those Jews that I forgive them completely and let everyone hear – forgiven are you, forgiven are you, forgiven are you, there are no curses, no reproaches, no excommunications, and no other outstanding accounts.”
The Rebbe said: “The problem is that they don’t feel the purpose in the mitzvah. Now I forgive all of them, and they should know no sorrow.”
According to the Rebbe’s shamash, several residents from the neighborhood asked for the Rebbe’s forgiveness for contacting the police and causing distress.
Munkatcher Rebbe in Boro Park is very careful that his chassidim all be very quiet while escorting him home on Simchat Torah late at night and very early morning. Their having been involved in Simchat haTorah does not permit them to disturb people from their deserved quiet and needed sleep which they are entitled to (sleep frum Jewish people who need to sleep s that they too can be rested to do Simchat Torah of their own during the day.)
In the sefer “Ashrei haIsh” (perek 19) section on Asseret yeMey Teshuve, Rav Elyashiv is quoted that it is not allowed to hold a loud tehillim group for children on Shabbat afternoon when the sound of children saying Tehillim will disturb neighbor’s nap without permission from the neighbors. Rav Elyashiv continues to say the psak is based on it being obviously not allowed to disturb neighbors late at night. Similary Rav Elyashiv says it is not allowed to have a simcha banquet hall in a residential area “even though the banquets are Simcha shel Mitzvah”.
Perhaps there is more to this story of this rebbe’s sukka, but as told by VIN, it is exactly a case Rav Elyashiv says it’s not allowed.
They have all day to song scream dance. After 11 at night, if others are trying to sleep, and you purposely disrupt it, it’s a form of gazella – forced robbery. Any Beis din would side w The neighbors. The rebbe needs to ask mechilla ( forgiveness) not grant it.
After 11pm, the noise level should be lowered. Chassidim are kit special to gave loud parties all week long.
isn’t it the rebbe who should be asking forgiveness for disturbing the neighbours? even a mitzvah doesn’t give you the right to disturb others in their own homes. he isn’t some kind of rock star.