A Respectful Response to Rav Aharon Feldman Shlita’s “Treif Into Kosher: The Story of Eretz Hakodesh”

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    by Rabbi Yair Hoffman

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    Rabbi Feldman’s scholarly article printed in Dialogue #9 presents a deeply felt argument against Charedi participation in Zionist institutions, particularly focusing on Eretz Hakodesh’s involvement in the World Zionist Organization (WZO). His central thesis portrays this participation as an unprecedented and unacceptable departure from traditional Charedi opposition to Zionism, which he characterizes as “treif” (non-kosher) being transformed, inappropriately, into “kosher.”

    Rabbi Feldman’s position, articulated with evident passion and erudition, rests on several key assertions:

    1. That leading gedolei Torah of previous generations uniformly prohibited collaboration with Zionist organizations
    2. That Eretz Hakodesh has employed a “three-pronged public relations onslaught” of “trivialization and obfuscation, falsehoods and empty promises” to justify its participation
    3. That no tangible benefits have resulted from this participation, and those promised have failed to materialize
    4. That the very act of joining the WZO constitutes a Chilul Hashem of “breathtaking magnitude”

    While Rabbi Feldman’s Torah erudition and his sincere commitment to Torah values is evident and highly commendable, I would like to respectfully suggest that a more nuanced understanding of the historical relationship between Torah-true Judaism – (and particularly Agudah’s)  and the Zionist movement may lead to different conclusions.  There has always been the Agudah approach and that of the Eida Chareidis.

    Historical Context: A More Nuanced Reality

    Rabbi Feldman cites various historical examples of rabbinic opposition to Zionism, including statements from the Chofetz Chaim, Rav Chaim Soloveitchik, and Rav Elchonon Wasserman. However, the historical record, particlaurly after the rise of the State of Israel reveals a more complex picture than uniform opposition.

    Precedent for Pragmatic Engagement

    Most significantly, Agudath Israel participated in signing Israel’s Declaration of Independence through Rabbi Yitzchok Meir Levine, the son-in-law of the Gerrer Rebbe. This momentous act appears to have had the blessing of major Torah authorities of the time. The article does not address this crucial historical fact, which demonstrates that pragmatic engagement with state institutions has precedent among Torah leadership.

    True there were hiccups and glitches particularly after the gius banos steps by the Zionists, but, for decades religious parties have joined coalitions with various Zionist groups to form governments in Israel. Initially, there were guidelines – for many years religious representatives did not take cabinet positions but did ally with Zionist parties. This pragmatic approach evolved over time, always guided by daas Torah, but consistently maintaining a path of engagement rather than total separation.

    The WZO Comparison to the Knesset

    Rabbi Feldman’s article specifically addresses Rav Reuven Grozovsky’s distinction between participation in the Knesset (which was permitted as a matter of survival) and participation in the WZO (which he opposed on ideological grounds). However, this distinction from 70+ years ago perhaps deserves reconsideration in light of today’s realities, where the WZO controls significant resources that directly impact Torah institutions.  This can be seen by Rav Chaim Kanievsky zt”l’s more pragmatic view as expressed here.  Some will invariably claim that Rav Chaim zatzal was manipulated here – but an unbiased view will clearly show that this is not the case.  

    In addition, Rav Elya Brudny shlita and Rav Aharon Lopiansky shlita both spoke about it being worthwhile to privately vote in the WZO election in 2020. 

     

    The article states on page 19: “Eretz Hakodesh also claimed its entry into the WZO would somehow help to counter threats to ‘kodshey Yisroel,’ presumably referring to areas such as giyur, kashrus and the Kosel…” but then dismisses this as “a flight of fantasy.” Yet the concrete results achieved by Eretz Hakodesh – including the recent allocation of $8 million to yeshivos and seminaries – demonstrate that these concerns were not fanciful but practical and well-founded.  

    Contemporary Rabbinic Guidance

    While Rabbi Feldman cites various rabbinic authorities who opposed Eretz Hakodesh, he does not address the significant support the initiative has received from current gedolei hador. There exists video evidence of Rav Chaim Kanievsky zt”l explicitly endorsing voting for Eretz Hakodesh. Additionally, Rav Gershon Edelstein zt”l advocated for joining and assisting Eretz Hakodesh.  Rav Dovid Feinstein zt”l was also an advocate of the nuanced approach and supported Eretz haKodeh.  Indeed, he instructed Rabbi Aryeh Zev Ginsberg shlita to be one of the delegates

    Prominent rabbinic figures across the globe have supported this pragmatic approach, including Rav Elya Brudny and Rav Shmuel Fuerst in the United States, and the Rosh Yeshiva of Gateshead in England, Rav Gurevitz – son of teh Rosh She’arim and a brilliant Rosh Yeshiva in his own right. This widespread support from respected Torah authorities including major Roshei Yeshiva and Poskim in Eretz Yisroel suggests that the matter is not as clear-cut as presented in the article.  

    Let’s also not that we are not always privy to teh internal discussions and disputes within Agudah itself (and rightly so).  At times, individuals with strong perspectives will strongly differ with a dissenting view.  I have seen documentation and letters when leaders in Agudah through their weight around even against the views of Rav Aharon Kotler zatzal himself!  

    Addressing Specific Claims

    On “Trivialization and Obfuscation”

    Rabbi Feldman characterizes Eretz Hakodesh’s approach as trivializing the historical opposition to Zionism. He writes on page 13: “From the outset, Eretz Hakodesh has never once acknowledged, let alone addressed, the unanimous da’as Torah and psak halacha which for well over a century has prohibited collaboration with the WZO.”

    This characterization overlooks the careful distinctions made by Eretz Hakodesh and its rabbinic supporters between ideological endorsement and pragmatic participation. The approach is not to trivialize previous rulings but to apply them with nuance to contemporary circumstances, just as Agudath Israel did when participating in Israel’s governance structures while maintaining ideological reservations.  

    On “Falsehood”

    The article claims on page 24 that Eretz Hakodesh falsely claimed rabbinic support, particularly regarding Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky shlita. Personally, I know this not to be the case.  However, the endorsements from numerous current gedolim mentioned above suggest that rabbinic support for the initiative is indeed substantial and genuine.

    On “Empty Promises”

    Rabbi Feldman asserts on pages 26-27 that Eretz Hakodesh’s promises of financial benefits have not materialized, stating: “If Eretz Hakodesh would be successful in receiving for all Chareidi institutions the amount Reform Jewry received, this would amount to about $400 per institution.”

    This claim is directly contradicted by the recent allocation of $8 million to yeshivos and seminaries due to Eretz Hakodesh’s efforts. This tangible achievement demonstrates that participation has indeed yielded substantial benefits for Torah institutions.

    The Traditional Approach of Agudath Israel

    The nuanced approach to engagement with secular institutions has always been characteristic of Agudath Israel since the founding of the State of Israel. This approach recognizes that while ideological purity is essential, practical participation in existing frameworks is sometimes necessary to protect Torah interests.

    There is no greater proof to this than the existence of Chinuch Atzmai itself, the school system founded by Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l himself  – which has single-handedly created facts on the ground.  They receive millions in funding from teh government.  IF Agudah would have chosen the path of teh Eida HaChareidis like Rav Feldman seems to wish to advocate for – these facts on the ground would not exist.

    At the 4th Knessia Gedolah in Jerusalem in 1954, Rabbi Aharon Kotler sat alongside Rabbi Levine and Prime Minister Moshe Sharett. This symbolic gesture suggests that even leaders known for their strong ideological positions recognized the necessity of practical engagement in certain circumstances.

    Benefits to Klal Yisroel

    The pragmatic approach advocated by Eretz Hakodesh has already yielded substantial benefits for the Torah community. Beyond the recent $8 million allocation, this engagement ensures that voices representing Torah values are present in institutions that make decisions affecting religious life in Israel.

    Rabbi Feldman’s article expresses concern on page 28 that “Eretz Hakodesh’s representatives will sit politely listening to all the kefirah being spouted and all the anti-Torah resolutions being passed.” However, without this representation, these resolutions would still pass, but without any voice advocating for Torah perspectives.

    Conclusion

    While Rabbi Feldman’s concern for maintaining the purity of Torah hashkafa is admirable and important, and necessary – the historical record suggests a more complex pattern of pragmatic engagement when necessary to protect Torah interests. This nuanced approach, guided by the daas Torah of each generation, better reflects the full spectrum of Torah leadership’s response to modern challenges.  

    The Drashos HaRan writes that every tuvei hair requires voices from all sides of the spectrum – some more extreme than the others, and some more radical than the others. This is what keeps us balanced.  

    The substantial support from contemporary gedolei Torah for Eretz Hakodesh’s participation in the WZO suggests that this approach is firmly within the tradition of Torah-true Judaism, albeit adapting to current realities. Just as our forebears made difficult decisions to protect Torah in challenging times, today’s leadership guides us through contemporary complexities with wisdom and foresight.

    The tangible benefits already achieved through this participation demonstrate that, far from being an empty exercise, this engagement has meaningfully advanced Torah interests. In this light, Eretz Hakodesh’s approach might be better understood not as making “treif” into “kosher,” but as applying timeless Torah principles to contemporary challenges in a way that safeguards the future of Torah-true Judaism.

    The author can be reached at [email protected]

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    Moshe
    Moshe
    25 days ago

    Rabbi Yair Hoffman Shalita published here very informative Halachic Debates that were very much appreciated, but now he is like a cow who kicks the bucket and spills all the milk that it produced. “Lost all Respect for him”

    YupYup
    YupYup
    25 days ago

    All I can say is this seems like a very strange hill for R. Hoffman to die on.
    When did this become so do or die that it deserves article after article after article?

    Chaimel
    Chaimel
    25 days ago

    This reminds me of Makas Tzefardea…
    Commenting will only lead to another article repeating the same thing in different words.

    Dave
    Dave
    25 days ago

    Wow! Another infomercial, brought to you by … Eretz Hakodesh

    A real human
    A real human
    25 days ago

    1. Rav Feldman is a “gadol” and doesn’t need to agree or cite with the other gedolim mentioned, just as they didn’t cite him
    2. The ‘only’ thing you can pont to that EH did was get some money.
    It’s laughable – you quote hagaon harav feldman that they didn’t do anything regarding giyur, kosel etc.. So you counter that with essentially ” but he didn’t mention we got a lot of cash”, this is not what the stakes were when they joined agudah.

    DAVID KLEIN
    DAVID KLEIN
    25 days ago

    Why can’t Rav Elya Brudny speak for himself?
    He needs you to let his opinion be known?

    Secular
    Secular
    25 days ago

    ביזיון התורה !

    WhoKnows
    WhoKnows
    25 days ago

    Vote or don’t vote, but the video doesn’t seem like R’ Chaim knows what the question is…

    Talmud of Aharon Hakohein
    Talmud of Aharon Hakohein
    24 days ago

    Regardless of who is right or wrong, it is so tragic that this is a controversy what with all the tzaros the Yidden are currently facing. Is more animosity and machlokes going to bring the Geula? Eilu vEilu. Enough with the sinas Chinam!

    David M Friedman
    David M Friedman
    22 days ago

    The Zionist Movement of a century ago is gone. The Socialist parties that ran the Knesset in the years of my youth -50s and 60s -no longer exist.
    Emily Damari who lost her two fingers after October 7 went to the Kosel to daven and Bentch Gomel . Agam Berger became a Shomer Shabbos in captivity and famously wrote at her release דרך אמונה בחרתי. We are in a different world today than that of a century ago, but some of our leaders are simply stuck in the past. And such intransigence distances those to whom we should reach out. You can be sure that I am voting and will stand vindicated before the כסא הכבוד for caring for my fellow Jews who need me and appreciate my joining with them.

    Grey Frock
    Grey Frock
    25 days ago

    Rabbosai! Luz Shoin up with the ZOA who cares …most of Klal Yisroel is concerned about making pasach

    Bubbie
    Bubbie
    24 days ago

    One point – it’s not how much money the frum institutions receive, it’s making sure less money is available for anti-Torah causes

    Colonel of Truth
    Colonel of Truth
    25 days ago

    Yitzy is correct. Has anyone commenting read the Jerusalem Program? People who identify with Chareidi Daas Torah who vote in this election and thereby influence where WZO money goes are guilty of some sort of g’nayva.

    FlatbushLawyer
    FlatbushLawyer
    25 days ago

    VIN is moderating these comments more than ever!

    Michel
    Active Member
    Michel
    24 days ago

    As the son of Chasiddishe Holocaust survivors whose parents viewed Israel as the Ihr Hamiklat that we needed post 6 mill Jews being murdered, and despite the secular Govt, and despite the draft and despite all else, I joined, paid my $5 and voted . I stood for making my Orthodox voice heard, giving some money to Frum institutions, not giving it to Reform, and erring on the side of Ahavas Yisroel not SInas Chinum. Whether to vote or not, the insults being made and the schism it is creating is not worth sacrificing our Achdus, Jewish identity, and Ahavas Yisroel. Better everyone should vote or not without all this interference of Rabbinical leaders. Where is the Aveira in voting or not voting? But there is an aveira in the insults.

    AHR
    AHR
    25 days ago

    Everyone can see that we who are voting for eretz hakodesh are doing so for money..
    Cmon chevra 8 million to active our principles?!?!

    One yid who made money on any financial venture can and does give that every year and more

    We bow to zionists who make fun of us running after money

    Shame on us

    Make a fund and give more and tell who to take a walk

    They eventually will have to give us more money because everyone knows it won’t be long that chareidim are going to be 37 percent of Israel
    Note : we are currently 17%

    But.. with the other religiously parties we are almost or surpassing a clear majority

    They must give us our due

    Open Minded
    Open Minded
    25 days ago

    If I may: It is clear that this writer is not aware of who the Rosh yeshiva is. I personally know the R”Y well having spent much time learning bechavrusa with him. The blatant disregard for what the Rosh Yeshiva said is breathtaking. He attempts to completely refute the R”Y by simp;y stating “I know that not to be the case”
    The Rosh Yeshiva is of the Z’kan Roshei Yeshivas in America AND Eretz Yisrael. If I may be so bold as to say, “He may be the only one today in America who has a true undersatnding of the matzav on the ground in Eretz Yisrael as he live dthere full time for over 40 years and is still “living” there as he spends considerable time there each year. He is even called by the gedolim there resolve various issues that come up.

    Be careful what you say here!!

    jojo
    jojo
    23 days ago

    Here’s a powerful and refined response that counters the loshon hara while maintaining a dignified and Torah-based perspective:

    **Enough with the Machlokes—Let’s Stand for True Kavod HaTorah**

    It is truly heartbreaking to witness how discussions surrounding the honor of Torah and its great leaders have turned into a battleground of personal attacks, cynicism, and mockery. Where is the yiras Shamayim? Where is the kavod for our gedolim? Since when did defending Torah become an excuse to engage in open lashon hara, rechilus, and motzi shem ra?

    Kavod HaTorah does not mean tearing down fellow Jews who follow the guidance of different gedolim than you do. It does not mean throwing around insults, ridicule, or reducing complex matters to childish jabs. True kanaus—zeal for Hashem—is never expressed through hatred and machlokes, but through unwavering dedication to emes, Torah, and Avodas Hashem.

    Before posting another comment filled with disdain, ask yourself: **Is my comment truly for the sake of Hashem, or is it satisfying my own personal frustration?** If this is really about kavod haTorah, let’s honor Torah properly—by showing derech eretz, humility, and ahavas Yisroel. **Anything less than that is not kanaus; it is corruption of Torah values.**

    We are all bnei Avraham, Yitzchak, and Yaakov. We will not bring the Geulah by proving each other wrong in a comments section, but by proving to Hashem that we can unite despite our differences.

    Let’s elevate the conversation. **Let’s be a light unto Klal Yisroel, not a source of more darkness.**

    Lawrence Reisman
    Lawrence Reisman
    25 days ago

    If the URL I posted doesn’t post, go to the September, 1987 edition of the Jewish Observer on the Agudah website.

    Jack Rubin
    Jack Rubin
    25 days ago

    The WZO election is an election for factions in the Zionist world. If one is not a Zionist, then he has no right to vote in a Zionist election, and if he does he is lying. That sheker is causing money to be misappropriated to places it may not belong, that is Genaiva. Eretz HaKodesh is a Zionist organization by DEFINITION.
    Sort of like faking poverty to collect Medicaid or Section8 when a person is really not poor. These are all Isurim and Rav Feldman is correct to point that out.

    The only Chiluk is; are you allowed to lie for monetary gain? Is it Okay to only steal from the US government, or is also OK to steal from the Israeli Medina?

    Moishe k
    Moishe k
    23 days ago

    Vin censorship already out of hand we need to start using different platforms.

    בתוך הגולה
    בתוך הגולה
    25 days ago

    The way it works in Israel is that every party can send delegates to the WZC in porportion to their size in the Knesset. UTJ chooses to opt out and does not send any delegates. (SHAS does send delegates)

    If it were true that the gedolim in EY hold that everyone should vote, then why don’t they send their own delegates to the WZC. Why are we more concerned about getting money to Yeshivos and seminaries in EY than our brothers in EY themselves?

    Moshe
    Moshe
    21 days ago

    HaGaon HaRav Dov Landau, Rosh Yeshivas Slabodka, unequivocally opposed participation in the World Zionist Organization (WZO) elections.
    Video From Hagaon HaRav Dov Landau Against WZO Elections
    Watch Video on Yeshiva World March 27, 2025 8:50 pm

    Dr. Alex Morales
    Dr. Alex Morales
    25 days ago

    The real problem is once they start sending money to Yeshivos, no matter how “Haredi”, they then influence the education, which is completely unacceptable and toxic. With all due respect, you’re making an argument for why the cheese on the mousetrap is actually a good thing, and that you’re just taking it away from the rats by participating. It’s still free cheese, and it’s still a mousetrap.

    Colonel of Truth
    Colonel of Truth
    25 days ago

    The WZO has made acceptance of the Jerusalem Program a prerequisite for voting in this election. Has anyone here read what the Jerusalem Program says? You should search for it on Google and read it. Especially the part about encouraging service in the IDF.
    There is simply no way that one who follows Chareidi Daas Torah can in good conscience participate in voting in the WZO election.

    Mordechai M
    Mordechai M
    22 days ago

    The only thing I have say is any rabbi or Jewish leader in America that votes and supports democrats is part of the שטן & looses all their rights to tell anyone to listen to them and should not be call a Rabbi because they have no דעת תורה whatsoever

    Moshe
    Moshe
    25 days ago

    Rav Shnier Kotler’s ZT”L son in law Rav Uren Reich Shlita Gave a very Powerful Drusha the last therte were Elections whether to vote for Eretz Hakodesh since it was well known Rav Ahron ZT”L and many Gaoldom forbid voting Rav uron said they were the Gedoli Hadar then today Rav Chaim ZT”L is the Gadol Hador and we have to follow his Pasak so now that Rav Chaim ZT”L is not with us any more we have to follow the Majority of Yeshivisha geodlim who forbid voting for Eretz Hakodesh

    Yogibera
    Yogibera
    25 days ago

    Why the attacks on our gedolim? It is assur to question daas Torah

    Aron
    Aron
    25 days ago

    Anyone has the link to Rabbi Feldman’s article?

    Blinky
    Blinky
    25 days ago

    I propose a new annual election that will solve all problems here. First step license the software that ranks tennis pros from world numbers 1-200 and repurpose it for gedolim ranking. Second step establish a fair democratic voter base. Third step – vote. Final step – everyone votes/doesn’t vote for Eretz Hakodesh based on the majority opinion of the top 3 ranked gedolim.

    Nachman78
    Nachman78
    25 days ago

    When I see the Torah dragged into politics by grown men all I see are fathers and zaides not helping with raising children. Without derech eretz you can not carry the Torah.

    For Real
    For Real
    25 days ago

    Why is there even one person defending this Chillul Hashem of epic proportions? No one cares if you wear a yarmulka, if you’re a Zionist religous or otherwise, you deny the divinitiy of Hashem and the geulah Rachmana Litzlan. Go spew your heresy to people who want to hear it.

    Meir Gordon
    Meir Gordon
    25 days ago

    Taken straight from the wzo website

    To be eligible to vote in the U.S. election to the 39th World Zionist Congress, you must:

    Be Jewish (and not subscribe to another religion)
    Be 18 years or older by June 30, 2025
    Be a U.S. citizen or a legal permanent resident in the U.S.
    Maintain your primary residence in the U.S.
    Accept the Jerusalem Program (the Zionist movement platform)
    Have not voted in the November 2022 Knesset election (and will not vote in any future Knesset election which may be held prior to July 28, 2025)”

    Anti Eiriv Rav
    Anti Eiriv Rav
    24 days ago

    Wow!! Classic Eiriv Rav torah!

    The Truth
    The Truth
    23 days ago

    Thank you Rabbi Hoffman for this excellent article.
    I would also add the gadol hador Hagaon Hacham Ovadia Yosef ztl to the list of Gedolim that support the initiative, as well as his son’s Hacham David and Hacham Yitzhak Yosef.

    Emes
    Emes
    22 days ago

    Anyone who read this article and felt a need to comment obviously did so using the internet which the moetzes and “all the gedolim” deemed to be “treif”. You probably also signed in your kids school application that there’s no internet in your home. So you pick and choose when to follow the “rules” and you have no problem lying on a yeshiva application. Stop being hypocritical.
    I would also point out that the Kol korei from the moetzes did not have any signatures from any of the actual members. Use your brain you’ll understand that not “all the gedolim” were willing to sign it. There have been many that were vocally pro-voting last time around that have been “bullied” into silence. If anyone really had doubts about whether or not Reb Chaim understood the question, they would have said so while he was still alive or maybe re-asked the question. Very convenient to wait until he is dead to all of a sudden start doubting his understanding.

    Zvi R.
    Zvi R.
    19 days ago

    Excellent article by Rabbi Yair Hoffman, and one that should have an impact on every thinking person.

    Brooklyn Boy
    Brooklyn Boy
    19 days ago

    To vote or not to vote in the WZO we will leave that to the Gedolei Hador and everyone should listen to their Rav.

    IMHO: to trust people who don’t pay Yiden they hire to do work, to vote in your and our Torahs best interests and uphold their fiduciary duties.

    Seems like a stretch.

    Morality is not bendable.

    I’m now waiting 6 months to get paid from EHK

    Moshe
    Moshe
    19 days ago

    Bottom line
    Eretz Hakodesh is not here to help the Chariedim
    They just want to get a read on how many are on each side and then they’ll know where to put the money so they can try to save their own skin

    Kofer B'Ikkar
    Kofer B'Ikkar
    25 days ago

    The Agudah has never been “nuanced”. The approach of the Agudah is “Either you do everything exactly as we demand or we won’t join with you”. There is NEVER compromise of “nuance” with Agudah. They demand 100% capitulation to their agenda and anybody who dares to disagree is accused of Kefirah and disobeying the Gedolim.

    Torah Im Da'as
    Torah Im Da'as
    25 days ago

    Rabbi Shmuel Fuerst, probably the biggest posek in America, says you should vote in the WZO. So there’s that.

    Iyyar5th
    Iyyar5th
    24 days ago

    Suck your stupid pride, and do something beneficial to the Jewish people, and go & cast your vote, in a bid to cut out buses on the streets of ירושלים בשבת קודש השם ירחם and to cut out mixed crowding at the כותל השם ירחם

    DAVID KLEIN
    DAVID KLEIN
    25 days ago

    Rabbi Yair,

    You are working VERY VERY HARD. You have wriitten four or five scholarly article on this subject in the last four days.
    How does EH pay you? Per Article?
    It is OBVIOUS that everyone pushing EH is getting paid.
    STOP selling your neshamos for $