Would The Chazon Ish Have Accepted A Total Exemption For Charedim? Apparently Not

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    JERUSALEM (VINnews) — In the days of the Chazon Ish, the charedi world was very different, and charedim who did not “make a living” from Torah study were obliged to serve in the IDF.

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    The proof is that one of the Chazon Ish’s students, Rabbi Elazar Menachem Man Shach, who later became head of the Ponevezh Yeshiva, also held the same view regarding those “worldly roamers wandering aimlessly through the streets of Bnei Brak and Jerusalem.” He ruled that charedi draft evaders are no less than persecutors of Torah study, and that the charedi public has no interest in freeing them from the IDF draft.

    But who will tell us that this was also the outlook of the great leader, the Chazon Ish? This exact question is examined, among other topics, in the monumental book by researcher and historian Prof. Binyamin Brown, “The Chazon Ish — The Decisor, the Believer, and the Leader of the charedi Revolution” (Magnes Jerusalem and Yeshiva University Press, New York).

    On page 304, Brown writes: “He [the Chazon Ish] did not think that the exemption from military service should be given to every Haredi Jew simply by virtue of being charedi, but only to a fairly narrow group of yeshiva students.” And here the learned author gives us a bit of history: “In fact, that was the situation until Agudat Yisrael joined the Begin government in 1977. From that point on, almost every charedi man declared ‘Torato Umanuto’  and received a postponement of service. Under the umbrella of this exemption, thousands of charedi men who did not study in religious institutions at all, and in some cases those who had dropped out of yeshivot , were released from service.”

    It appears that the first Likud prime minister, Menachem Begin, was dazzled and swept up by the displays of piety from charedi leadership and granted a broad, wholesale exemption to the youth in black hats, regardless of the cost in terms of the blood of fellow Israelis who were not part of that camp.

    Brown continues: “It is quite clear that the Chazon Ish would not have justified exemption on that basis. In his halachic novellæ he tended even to narrow the bounds of the Torah-based exemptions to the ‘returners from war’: those who ‘built a house and did not inaugurate it,’ ‘planted a vineyard and did not yet enjoy its produce,’ ‘married but did not yet take a wife,’ or the ‘timid and faint-hearted’ — and he ruled that these ‘returners’ [i.e., those exempt from appearing to defend Israel] are only released ‘when Israel’s survival does not depend on them.’”

    And here comes the most astonishing punch line. The Chazon Ish writes in his chiddushim on Orach Chaim 112/114, chap.6 clause 3): “And if they are needed [i.e., those precious yeshiva students], they must come to assist their brothers.” Plain and simple. The Chazon Ish is explicit, with no conditions, no caveats. Just close the Gemara and stand up to save Israel immediately. Nothing more to add.

    To provide further support for his conclusion, Brown quotes Pe’er Hador — a book written by a group of charedi writers led by Rabbi Shlomo Cohen, a pupil of the Chazon Ish from the Vilna period and one of his great admirers, considered the official charedi biography of the Chazon Ish: “Even Peer HaDor, written before the wholesale exemption for Haredim in 1977, dares to cite things in his name (which today would of course be censored) that point to his opposition to freeing those who do not study Torah. According to one rumor he recommended conscription to the IDF for ‘those whose Torah is not their profession’ (see Peer Hador cols. 262–264), and according to another testimony (Peer HaDor even cites it, amazingly, from the newspaper HaTzofeh — note by B.B.) he even said that one who is not truly ‘Torato Umanuto’ and pretends to be a yeshiva student in order to obtain a postponement from military service has the status of a persecutor of all the yeshivot in the land.”

    Brown cites additional sources to corroborate his assessment and sums them up: “There is great doubt whether the path of charedi society today would have been acceptable to him [the Chazon Ish].”

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    Accuracy Matters
    Accuracy Matters
    23 days ago

    VIN – I am seriously impressed that you posted an article like this, that goes against the revisionist “history” regularly cited in Chareidi circles. “Haemes v’hashalom ehavu”.

    Notebooks
    Notebooks
    23 days ago

    And of course, Rav Shtainman ztl held the same.

    Annie
    Annie
    23 days ago

    The Gerrer Rebbe stopped daviening Yom Kippur and said those of you who are in the army need to leave right now. This was the start of the Yom Kippur War. The army knew that to gather it’s soldiers they need to go from shul to shul

    NY has fallen
    NY has fallen
    23 days ago

    Moreinu Harav A.L. Shteinman ZYA, also a talmid muvhak of the ChazonIsh and R”Y of Ponovich L’Tzeirim (Junior High), dared to promote his Rebbi’s view in his mid-age years and got totally ripped apart by very organized Peleg-like (frum Antifa) hooligans that included harrasing calls & defaming patchkeviles. He even had to publish his sefarim anonymously one reason being for fear of reprisals. There’s a YT clip of his saying someone who’s not learning full time (Ie: 3+ sedarim) should find the most religious IDF unit as possible and check-in regularly with his closest Rebbi for guidance.

    Last edited 23 days ago by NY has fallen
    כשכ
    כשכ
    21 days ago

    THIS ARTICLE IS A TOTAL LIE, AND HOAX. THE CHAZON ISH is adressing the halacha of a chosson going to war, and is not talking about the current state of israel! If he held that wars in the state of israel are Milchemos Mitzvah then we can infer this chazon ish. but this is a distortion of his words, he does not talk about any contemporary issue

    NY has fallen
    NY has fallen
    23 days ago

    Today’s Buchrim will reply: That was before Matan Torah.

    Chaimel
    Chaimel
    23 days ago

    The security of the State was very fragile at that time period. We have no idea what his opinion would be today. In addition, the world was a very different place. This is why we need to ask the opinion of the students of the Chazon Ish & other Gedolim to know how to act in our day.
    The Gedolei Hatorah of our time consider it very spiritually risky for a Chareidi man to join the army. There are exceptions of course for the yochid.

    Ploni
    Ploni
    23 days ago

    Why do the litvishe bnei Torah especially those who were close to the chazon ish not aware of this lomdus

    Simcha
    Simcha
    23 days ago

    Should we take opinions what the Chazon Ish held from YU or from his talmidim Roshei Yeshiva of Ponoviz, the same way I wouldn’t be stupit to ask talmidim from Lakewood Yeshiva what R’ Yosher Ber z”tl held, COMMON SENSE ACCURACY MATTERS.

    Simcha
    Simcha
    23 days ago

    Even if what you say is true, which it is not I have a RIGHT to follow MY RELIGIOUS LEADERS WHO HOLD OTHERWISE, lets say its the Satmer Rov zt”l, or whomever it may be, we should be outraged when RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS UNDER ATTACK.

    Yosef
    Yosef
    23 days ago

    You just picked out something and made some BS lomdus!
    We all know that he was totally against it, he was more against the Mizrachi than against the secular!
    You can twist and turn, this is today’s generation instead of saying you disagree with his opinion you try to MANIPULATE AND CHANGE his opinion!

    Chofetz Chaim's opinion
    Chofetz Chaim's opinion
    23 days ago

    In Chafetz Cahim on Pirkei Avos. Kol hamekannel ol torah mavirin me’alav ol makchus v’ol derech eretz כל המקבל עול תורה מעבירין … Chafetz Chaim says the ‘yoke” of government obligations will be removed from the the person who accepts yoke of Torah ONLY IF the heaviness of the yoke of Torah he accepts is at least equal to that of the yoke of government. You want to be pattur פטור from making a living ? then your sedarim must be at least demanding as a 9-5 job (for those in kollel in America). You want to be pattur from the IDF then your sedarim hasmodah and RESPONSIBILITY to your learning must be at least as much as that of the soldiers to their IDF duty. A story from Rav Moshe Feinstien shows Chafetz Chaim practiced what he preached. rav Moshe said Chafetz Chaim gave rav Moshe (as young man) a brocha to be avoid the draft into Russian army, ONLY AFTER chafetz chaim farherd (examined Rav Moshe to conform rav Moshe was in fact a exceptional talmid chacham even as a teen. {If I recall correctly,story printed in Artscroll biography of rav Moshe)

    kavod hatorah
    kavod hatorah
    18 days ago

    this is warping the chazan ishs words! Learn a little history and tell prof brown that we dont comment on the heads on r soleveitchik and he shouldnt take select passages from the chazan ish. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ONCE AGAIN VINNEWS IS BASHING TODAYS GEDOLIM AND BLAME IT ON OTHER PEOPLE! THEY ARE NOT A TORAH WEBSITE AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!!!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE LOSHON HARA AGAINST r DOV AND R MOSHE HILLEL!!!!! KAVOD HATORAH!!!!

    Yoda
    Yoda
    17 days ago

    The context in תורתו אומנתו is used in the Gemara does NOT mean that a person learns to make (Heaven forbid) but rather that all his time is spent learning Torah (unlike other Torah Scholars, who take breaks to earn money.) Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv z”l, who was a Posek for Rav Shach z”l, said that payments to Avreichim are Tzaddaka, not salary, and are therefore exempt from the prgibition of delaying payment. Check the Chazon Ish again: What does he say about a Torah Scholar who spends most–though not all of his time–studying Torah? The Shulchan Aruch says that as long as תורתו קבע he exempt from taxes for defense purposes.

    Z E
    Z E
    17 days ago

    And this is a Rabbi?!
    The proof to the Chazon Ish’s opinion is that Rav Shach said his opinion. And he wouldn’t say something he didn’t hear from the CI!!!!
    This is ridiculous!
    And Brown is notoriously unreliable. The fake source, that is impossible to trace, tells us nothing.

    But I believe that only Yeshiva bochurim should be exempted, because there is no future to Klal Yisroel without all of us having the option and ability to invest our youths in learning.

    Who cares?
    Who cares?
    23 days ago

    Doesn’t make a difference what he ‘really’ held, the contemporary Chareidi leadership disagree….

    Educated Archy
    Educated Archy
    23 days ago

    The chazon ish though was from a differnet dor. I firmly believe society altitude inlfuneces a gadols view too. In those days especially in litfisha circles, this line between secular and us was less. We didn’t live in ghettos like today. The chazon ish own chavrusa was Chaim Grada who was one of the biggest yddishistitein of our times. His stories of the “yeshiva” in the forward were very popular among many chashiva Rosh yeshivas. The whole mindset was different. And there was also no such concept as learning in yeshiva unless you were like super serious. Its hard to say what he would hold in todays scoiety that its so the norm and that our mindset is so different. Its a different generation

    Daas torah
    Daas torah
    23 days ago

    Is the IDF today the same it was those days?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    22 days ago

    Some academic claims to know the Torah position of the Chazon Ish on something so relevant to dinei nefashos mamash (in every way) like this? Wow, how sad that this was even posted here as supposedly being in any way relevant.

    Jose Rodriguez
    Jose Rodriguez
    23 days ago

    Wow

    Chaim
    Chaim
    23 days ago

    Haha I love these sort of silly articles. Don’t rely on all the Chazon Ish’s talmidim, let’s go back to the source!

    Chaim2
    Chaim2
    23 days ago

    haredi draft dodgers should have all benefits cut off and should lose the right to vote