Who Will Be Satmar Rebbe’s Keeper?

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    Children of the chief rabbi of Kiryas Yoel’s majority congregation, went to court yesterday to begin an unseemly tug-of-war for access and control on their 92-year-old father, leader of the world’s largest movement of Chasidic Jews because they claim he isn’t in good hands.
    But the head rabbi in Williamsburg, and his faction contend the Satmar leader is in good hands and accuse their rivals of sacrificing a holy man’s dignity to advance their own quest for power.

    The judge repeatedly scoffed at the suggestion that the case had no political motivation and no connection to the fighting to succeed the grand rabbi. “If this is about politics,” he said angrily, “then take all these papers you spent thousands of hours on and throw them down the toilet.”
    After two hours, the judge set another court appearance for Nov. 3 to deliver his decision, one that he said neither side might like.


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    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    I HAVE NEWS FOR DE BLAT

    M FRIEDMAN IS HERE TO SYAY IY”H

    TAKE SOSHE AWAY AND YOU’LL SEE
    HOW R AT WILL EMBRACE HIS YOUNGER BROTHER RABBI ZLT SHLITE

    der blatt
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    17 years ago

    a wanna add one line to all this non sense there is only one big problem in satmar, and his name if m friedman you take him away and everything is gonna be ok

    outsider
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    17 years ago

    to 12:20, they don’t have now but they did have before & they didn’t fight thier fathers. at least they waited till their father passed on first.

    outsider
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    17 years ago

    does the rebbetzin go to ALL her grandchildrens simchas?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    TO MOISHE GELB

    ALL THSES CHASIDUS HAVE NO FATHER TO FIGHT WITH

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    anonymous 10:44, maybe they were di veg veisers for all the others?

    groinem
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    17 years ago

    yakov, that’s exactly what this is all about. but why wait till after 120 when you can fight it out now.

    YAKOV FINKELSTEIN
    YAKOV FINKELSTEIN
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    17 years ago

    WHO WILL BE NEXT SATMAR REBBE ?????AFTER 120 ?????

    Moshe Gelb
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    17 years ago

    but nobody fights his father

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BELZ LUBAVITCH KLAUSENBERG

    THE ARE ALL FIGHTING BETWEN THEMSELVS

    BP KLAUSEN//E Y KLASENBERG
    BELZ//MACHNIVKE BELZ
    LUBAVTCH MOSHIACH/LUBAVITCH NORMALE
    AND NOW BOBOV/BOBOV
    KRASNE/KRSNE
    SPINKE/SPINKE/SPINKE/SPINKE
    AND VI NISHT????

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    Kook? everyone is against kook

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    IT’S SAD TO SEE ALL THIS FIGHTING,
    BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU START FIGHTING WITH OTHER REBBES/JEWS (BELZ,LUBAVITCH, KLAUSENBURG,AGUDAH,KOOK, ECT….) EVENTUALY AS WE SEE YOU FIGHT AMONGST YOURSELF’S (IM TALKING ABOUT YOLLIE)

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    Could anyone please post all court docs relating to this case (or provide a link) and does anyone have a copy of the “Heter” that Aron’s children used to go to Court, please post the “Heter”

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    1. I am a son of Rabbi Moses Teitelbaum (the “Grand Rebbe”), the leader of the Satmar Chassidic movement, one of the most highly-respected religious Jewish leaders in the world. I respectfully submit this reply affirmation: (i) in further support of the motion to dismiss the petition brought by certain of his grandchildren, (but not by me, any of my siblings, my children or my grandchildren); and (ii) in opposition to the cross-motion to amend the petition in this case and for so-called “unsupervised visitation.” I have personal knowledge of all of the facts set forth herein.
    2. I have read the affirmations submitted to the Court last week by children of my estranged brother Aaron, and others, in opposition to the motion to dismiss the petition for appointment of a guardian for my father. These belligerent affirmations do not address the facts regarding my father’s selection and appointment, approximately 25 years ago, of individuals to attend to his mundane, personal affairs so that he could concentrate on his prayer, study, and holy work as leader of the world-wide Satmar Chassidic movement, including Congregation Yetev Lev D’Satmar, Inc. (the “Congregation”). The specific, particularized facts that I set forth for the Court in my affirmation dated August 18, 2005 regarding the meticulous care and service that my father receives from his various, long-standing assistants on a daily basis are totally ignored in these affirmations.
    3. Rather, these affirmations are filled with numerous inaccuracies and distortions, which do not address the heart of this matter–the current state of affairs regarding my father’s health care, shelter, food, clothing, property and financial affairs. The pernicious affirmations of the Petitioners and their collaborators are devoid of any specific factual statements regarding any current information as to these issues. Indeed, those affirmations do not profess to contain relevant information concerning any of these six issues going back even two or three years.

    4. The aim of these new affirmations is not to address matters pertinent to this proceeding. Rather they constitute merely additional tactics employed in the ceaseless efforts of supporters of my estranged brother Aaron to reverse our father’s decision in 1999 to appoint our brother, Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, as “”””Chief Rabbi of the Congregation.”””””

    This is the obvious reason why, rather than address the current state of affairs concerning my father, the Grand Rebbe, the affirmations submitted to the Court in opposition to the motion to dismiss dredge up alleged incidents from 2002, 2001, 1999 and 1997 and even earlier.

    5. I will not burden the Court with a point-by-point refutation of the falsehoods contained in these affirmations. But lest any silence be deemed an admission, I hasten to point out, for example, that Jack Gross is not a Satmar Chassid, nor is he a member of the Congregation and is certainly not an innocent observer. He is a former criminal who served time in prison, and he has taken a very active role in trying to reverse my father’s decision to appoint Rabbi Zalmen Leib Teitelbaum as Chief Rabbi of the Congregation. His renditions of his recollections of his conversations with my father in 2002 and 2003, which I and others witnessed, are highly selective and false. His admission that he has not seen the Grand Rebbe for approximately two and a half years (Gross Affirmation at ¶ E., p.3) demonstrates that he is not in a position to provide this Court with timely, relevant information. But this has not stopped him from attempting to cause trouble.

    6. It is not surprising that my brother Aaron’s supporters are desperate to have “unsupervised” time with the Grand Rebbe. They are most eager to be able to claim that they were secluded with the Grand Rebbe so that they can thereafter make all kinds of pronouncements regarding what the Grand Rebbe allegedly said or did during what they will no doubt characterized as “a unique lucid moment.” They know full that they will not be able to concoct new stories of what the Grand Rebbe supposedly declared unless they are alone with him. It is no wonder that visiting the Grand Rebbe in the presence of his longstanding, trusted assistants would not serve their nefarious purposes.

    7. I respectfully request that the Court consider the accompanying joint reply affirmation that I am submitting to the Court together with my brother and our spouses, and that the Court put an end to the shameful efforts to demean and humiliate our father, one of the most respected figures in the Jewish religious world today.

    Leopold (Lipa) Teitelbaum

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    17 years ago

    someone just made an accedent on that judge, look at the first post from Shloma

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    What is needed is a frum judge who will force them to go to a bais din.

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    WHAT HAPPENED TO BAIS DIN?????????

    WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO GO TO COURT WHEN IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED BY BAIS DIN????????

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    17 years ago

    TO MIKVA YID

    2 PIECES OF WOOD ALSO NOT BURNING

    IF YOU ////DONT THROW A MATCH ON IT//

    mikva yid
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    17 years ago

    i was the other day in KJ i saw R ZALMEN LEIB opend a big shuel in frond of reb ahrons shuel WHY ? my father used to say one piece of wood is not burning

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    The MAN who lined up all his childern to fight his father is a real SORER IMORAH its time a bet din give out a proclamation THAT HE IS IN CHEIREM

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    why don’t both sides go to beis din as any good Yid does??? Why all this going to arkuas? Is parshas Mishputim not meant for rebbes?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    Shloma Shamos you live there in KJ, go to that leader there, and tell him to stop the rishes…

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    we are almost at the step of clensing (Slichut) its about time to stop all this courts

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    TO THE MIKVE YID

    NO 1

    YOU COULD THANK R’ A T FOR THAT

    IF HE WOULDNT FIGHT ALL THESE 6 YAERS AGAINST R ZLT , ZLT WOULDNT OPEN ANY THIG IN KJ

    HE ROIDEFT ALL THSES YAERS
    MEVAZE BERABIM IBER DRYEN TH REBBES TISHE ALL THESE YEARS
    PASHKEVILEN HOT LINES NOOCH SHRYEN IN THE GASEN ARAN SHREYN YOM KIPPUR
    BAM DAVENEN ////YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS???????????

    MIKVA YID
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    17 years ago

    As you are saying R zalmen Leib got Willamsburg from his father ”’ why did he started a Talmud Torah in KJ ? and toke away from REB AHRON SHLIT”H 800 childern ? why did he opend a summer camp with almoust 400 girls in BP ? why did he opend a kolel in BNE BRAK ? why is the leadership of montreal ‘monsey jerusalam under his control ????so its only to take over the SATMAR RABISTAVE HOYO LO SHIYA

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    TO A T AND COMPANY

    ITZI EITZU VESIFOR DABRI DOVOR #VELOI YOKIM KI IMUNI KEIL##

    ACKNOWLEDG THAT YOU ARE A LOSER GET OUT OF COURT

    ANS SETTLE YORSELF IN KJ
    GO BACK TO THE YESHIVE AND LEARN FLEISIG WITH THE BACHURIM AND STAY
    OUT OF THIS DIRTY POLTICS ONCE AND DOR ALL

    PLEASE NOTE YOU BECAME RAV IN KJ ONLY!!!!!!!!!!

    NOT IN BP
    NOT IN MONSY
    NOT IN WILLIE
    NOT IN MONTRAEL
    NOT ANYWHERE ELSE

    THE REBBE SHLITA GAVE EVERYONE SOMTHING SO LET THEM DO THIER JOB
    PROMPTLY

    BEN  PINCHAS MEILECH
    BEN PINCHAS MEILECH
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    17 years ago

    the location is easy to find when you come to LEE AVE cor ROSS ST you gona see a long line of customers stretching out to LEE AVA THATS THE ONE

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    why do you say that it belongs to the family’s of the 9/11 victims?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    what HASGUCHE this store has ? and what is the location ?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    CAN WE TEL THE JUDGE WE DONT WANT TO BUY AT THIS STORE ?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    they are not Satmar, it belongs to the family’s of the 9/11 victims

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    i was wounding, why the health depart. doesn’t close the place, it smells so bad

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    ITS A shame that SATMAR Has such a dirty BUTCHER store can’d the afford better?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    The bring over the leftovers from the other store on flushing ave this store was closed severel times by the HEALTH DEPT .so why is the judge teling us we have to buy over there ?

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    17 years ago

    ביים ארויסגיין פון קאורט האט איינער גערופן דעם לאיער פינקעלסטין, אבער יענער איז אזוי געלאפן אז ער לויפט נאך אפשר יעצט אויך…

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    who want to buy from the BUTCHER SHOP on ROSS st., they dont have anything, and thats why no one steps in

    Vos Iz Nies
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    17 years ago

    a quote from one of the big lawyers

    you just tell us if you still have money to spend because we have enough courts there is civil, surrogate, family, supreme

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    is the green shul in Kanarsie next door to the white shul in Far Rockaway?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    Is this true ? that the judge orderd that The new BUTCHER SHOP on ROSS st most sell for evrybody ? ?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    1.11 you partley right the credit for this is leadership of Monroe Its time for a change .. No wonder that in KJ close to 2000 Childern dont go to AHRON controls schools his opposition are growing Fast

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    No wonder if no CABEIT AS AUVICU no LO TSAKRIE

    YIDE LEIBISH
    YIDE LEIBISH
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    17 years ago

    In KJ a NEW DERECH in CHASIDUS LEI and LEI and cover the LEI whith another LEI

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    The Guy from KJ Thinks Canarsie is KANARSIE WihT A.. K K K and no green shul so stop making up ..

    spell-checker
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    17 years ago

    Is it CanarDsie, CanaDrsie, CanDarsie, CaDnarsie, CanarDsie, CanarsDie or CanarsiDe?

    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    You live in canarsie and you dont know how to spell canarsie ?

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    17 years ago

    Vos Iz Nies said…

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    12:19 PM

    VOS IZ NOONIES GO POST ON YOUR OWN LAME WEBSITE!!!!
    VOS IZ NOONIES GO POST ON YOUR OWN LAME WEBSITE!!!!
    VOS IZ NOONIES GO POST ON YOUR OWN LAME WEBSITE!!!!
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    Anonymous
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    17 years ago

    You live in canarsie and you dont know how to spell canarsie ?

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    17 years ago

    mishagoyim ! why are they fighting over the rebbe ? leave him alone .

    Vos Iz Nies
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    17 years ago

    דער שופט האט געמאכט א פשרה:
    אהרן האט מער מענטשען וועט ער זיך אבגעבן מיט די מאמע וואס דארף אסאך מער הילף

    זלמן מיט די ביסל מענטשען וועט קער נעמען פונעם טאטן

    fair deal

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    17 years ago

    I Daven evryday in the green shul in kanarsie, the talk today was that its a shame for zalman teitelbaum who would never let his old 92 year old father join the Simchas of his kids and grand kids.
    everyone said it’s a shame to see how 3 people surrounding this Rebbe are keeping him hostage from his followers.
    what a shame