Putting Red Label in the Blue Label Bottle

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By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for the Sefas Tamim Foundation

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For those who drink, it is a sad reality that the price of both whiskeys and bourbons have shot up significantly – supposedly as a repercussion of the pandemic.  The price of grape tomatoes has also doubled, along with rising prices for meat and chicken.

THE PRODUCT

Its origin is in Kilmarnock Ayrshire Scotland, but is the most widely distributed brand of blended Scotch whiskey in the history of mankind.  Indeed, it is sold in almost every country in the world, with sales approaching some 150 million bottles each year.

It is known as Johnnie Walker Scotch whiskey, and it comes in many versions.
Red Label is 80 proof and is a blend of 35 grain and malt whiskies. It is intended for making mixed drinks.
Black Label is 80 proof, is a blend of about 40 whiskies, each one of which is aged for at least 12 years.
Blue Label is Johnnie Walker’s premium brand 80–86 proof blend with no age statement. Bottles are numbered serially and sold in a stunning silk-lined box accompanied by a certificate of authenticity. It is one of the most expensive blended Scotch whiskeys on the market, with prices of about $200 to $300 per bottle.

THE PROBLEM

Alas, it seems that some people may have the practice of putting the Red Label in the Blue Label bottle. Even if there is no monetary gain made here whatsoever, from a halachic view, this practice could possibly be as treif as the worm in a margarita.

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THE PROHIBITION

The prohibition is known as Gneivas Daas, fooling or deceiving others in physical practice. The Gemorah in Chullin (94a) cites Shmuel as saying that the prohibition applies to everyone.
The Gemorah in Chulin 94a cites a Braisah which discusses four examples given by Rabbi Meir of things that are forbidden on account of the issue of Gneivas Daas. 1] It is forbidden to repeatedly invite someone to a meal when you know that he will refuse 2] It is forbidden to repeatedly offer gifts when you know that he will refuse 3] It is forbidden to appear to up a new barrel of wine (when one is actually opening it for a previous sale) unless one informs him of the real reason he has opened it [the underlying issue is that the wine will not last as long now that the barrel is open and it is a big favor to the guest, much like opening a brand new bottle of Blue Label would be nowadays] 4] It is forbidden to offer someone oil from an empty flask to anoint oneself when one knows full well that the person will refuse it. If, however, he is offering the oil to show (others – Rashi) his fondness for the person it is permitted.

We see, therefore, that Gneivas Daas is violated even if there is a non-financial deception. This is true in the case of dressing up Red Label in Blue Label packaging at a Kiddush or simcha.

WORSE THAN LYING

In regard to the verse of midvar sheker tirchak stay away from a false matter, there is a three way debate as to how we understand this pasuk. The Chofetz Chaim rules in his Ahavas Chessed that there is an out and out prohibition to lie. This is in accordance with the view of some Rishonim. Other Rishonim hold that the verse is merely good advice, but not halacha. A third opinion holds that it is applicable to judges adjudicating law. Generally speaking, the view of the Chofetz Chaim is normative halacha.

The prohibition of deceiving, however, is a clear out and out prohibition according to all opinions. According to the Sefer Yereim and the Ritvah it is a biblical prohibition. According to the SMaK the prohibition is derabanan. But all hold that it is a full blown prohibition.

SIMILAR CASE OF GNEIVAS DAAS

The Mishna in Bava Metzia (59b) tells us that it is forbidden to mix older produce with newer produce and sell them together as one package. This is a parallel to our case, but our case is worse since in the whiskey only the inferior product is being presented. The Gemorah in Bava Metziah 60b has more cases where a seller makes animals and animal skins look newer through artificial means. These too are forbidden on account of Gneivas Daas. While it is true that these cases in Bava Metziah are dealing with a sale, but if we combine this with the Braisah in Chullin then we have a parallel.
Does everyone agree to this? It would seem that it may well be a debate in the Rishonim. The Rashba in Chullin (94a) and the Rosh (Perek 18) hold that if the item is a matana, a gift – there is no prohibition of Gneivas Daas. Tosfos (Chullin 94b DHM “Amar”) and the Ritva (Chullin 94b “Rav Ashi”) hold that it does apply even by a free gift. How do we understand the distinction between the cases of the braisah and the free gift according to those authorities who hold that it is not considered Gneivas Daas? It would seem that since the deceiver is giving something to the person – that makes up a bit for the deception.

OTHER APPLICATIONS OF GENEIVAS DAAS

There are a number of other contemporary applications of this prohibition that apply according to all Rishonim. These applications apply across the board in numerous industries.

SOCKPUPPETING

In the age of the internet, a number of people adopt other identities. While anonymity is permitted, when it is used to give off the impression that person X is really someone else – this is clear Gneivas Daas. There are magazines and newspapers that do this as a matter of course, where letters to the editor are printed by an author of an article that he himself had penned.

PHONY AMAZON REVIEWS

If a company produces a product they will often be tempted to write their own reviews and post them on Amazon.com. This too would clearly be a case of Gneivas Daas. It falsely gives off the impression that there are more readers as well as falsely inflating up the rate of satisfaction.

FALSELY REPORTING INTERNET HITS

There are websites and papers that falsely report their internet traffic or distribution. This too is Gneivas Daas, deceiving those who think that the site receives more visitors than it actually does, or deceiving its advertisers. Falsely inflating how many issues are printed is also Gneivas Daas.

SERIOUS ISSUE

There is a fascinating Shaarei Teshuva (3:181) which states that the leniency of “Mutar l’shanos mipnei haShalom, sometimes it is permitted to tell a white lie to maintain peace” does not apply to Gneivas Daas. Gneivas Daas is an important and essential value in Torah Judaism. Whether it is pouring Red Label into a Blue Label bottle, or inflating web hits, printing numbers, or using false emails to create wrong impressions, we must realize that it is a serious halachic issue that should not be ignored or trampled upon.

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Heimish Scotsman
Heimish Scotsman
1 year ago

Those who are impressed with Blue label don’t appreciate the drink but are impressed with the bottle and the price. There are numerous single malts available priced between $30 and $75 which are far better. The miracle of advertising has made Johnny Walker Blue a status symbol.
I’ll choose a 12 year old Livit or even a Tomintal Tlath over Johnny Walker blue any day.
Caterers have been putting cheap whiskeys and vodkas into prestige brand’s botle as far back as I can remember and 99% of the drinkers don’t realize.

The_Truth
Noble Member
The_Truth
1 year ago

Its all branding & marketing. They charge a high price for it & put it in a fancy case, give it a “limited” number – but its not any better than many middle range whiskys out there. Most people would prefer anything else given a blind taste test.

I was a Democrat until I saw the light
I was a Democrat until I saw the light
1 year ago

The vast majority of frum drinkers know only labels and price tags. They wouldn’t know a good single malt from a great one A. Distributer once said to me the difference between a 15 year old / and a 59 year old is only several thousand dollars few could taste the difference. If I am serving In My home it’s my business what I serve and i certainly won’t wafts an expensive bottle on drinkers that really only appreciate the label

Come on man
Come on man
1 year ago

There aren’t worms in margaritas.

B. Zalman
B. Zalman
1 year ago

A few years ago at the early-morning hashkama minyan where I daven regularly, one of the members organized a rotation so that one member would deliver a short Dvar Torah each week. I took the trouble of buying several bottles of whiskey and bourbon of different qualities and prices and collected a few empty bottles. I soaked the labels off of the empty bottles and then proceeded to pour the different full bottles into the empty bottles such that one could not identify what was in the bottle just by looking. My Dvar Torah for my week was a demonstration of “Al Tistakel b’kan-kan, aleh ma s’yesh bo”. (Don’t look at the bottle, but what is in it) Many of the chevra seemed puzzled and couldn’t understand the concept of having something to drink without having a visual cue such as a label.
Looks like Rabbi Meir nailed that one!

A C
A C
1 year ago

If you pretend to know anything about Scotch whisky you would know that it is spelt whisky without a e. American whiskey is spelt differently.
You would also know that all the labels are terrible and if the consumer does not realize this and is trying to drink a very expensive product without actually knowing what he is drinking and knowing the difference between different whisky’s, knowing what is a good single malt etc I would be bold enough to say that may he is the one who may be doing some sort of stealing.

Abe Avinu
Abe Avinu
1 year ago

Is it even kosher?

Jonjon
Jonjon
1 year ago

Stop drinking so much you shikkrrs