Jerusalem – – A well respected rabbi has told secular authorities that it is those who do not study the Torah who are responsible for Israel’s security issues, and that it is they who must serve in the army.
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Ynetnews (http://bit.ly/ZuZSan) is reporting that in an effort to clarify his ongoing resistance to a haredi draft, Rabbi Meir Rosenboim of Peremyshlyany said hasidics are actually defending Israel by studying the Torah.
“It’s clear to us that the fact we live in fear of enemies in all our years here in the land of Israel—that’s because of the simple people, those who don’t study the Torah, this country is filled with,” said Rosenboim. “Those who ask why they must enlist and fight must be told this calamity, these secular dangers, is because of them, because of their helplessness and their abstaining from studying Torah.”
As Rabbi of Peremyshlyany, Rosenboim is head of a relatively small community, but he is highly respected in the hasidic world due to the blessings and advice he bestows on his visitors.
High ranking seculars, including former Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, have visited the rabbi in the past.
Continuing to defend hared exemption from the draft, the rabbi said, “Our right to be quiet and serene is only because of studying the Torah, without which a calamity will befall the world.”
Get Lapid and Bennett to parade around in their IDF uniforms highlighting their campaign ribbons. My father, AH, used to say that anyone who wants to tell others to fight needs to demonstrate their own war experiences. Lapid hasn’t any war experiences. Regarding what defends Eretz Yisroel and it’s people, why don’t you just say that it’s Hashem.
In a weird way, he’s right. If not for the seculars, he and every other Charedi would have been slaughtered, thus ending all the violence (against Jews).
The idea of Torah protecting the Jewish people has been taken way too far – way beyond anything that the Torah itself teaches. In fact, the Torah says that when selecting soldiers for the army, איש הירא ורך הלבב (whoever is afraid of the aveiros he has committed) should NOT fight. It is ONLY the tzadikim who were chosen as soldiers.
This explains where there seems to be in inverse relationship between Torah learning and Jewish security. In Europe, there were more great talmidei chachomim (and fewer seculars) than there are today, but that didn’t stop the Holocaust. In the wars of 1948 and 1967, when there were relatively few men learning in kollel, the Israeli army defeated its enemise decisively, often with the help of miracles. But in recent decades, when the number of kollel members has ballooned, the Israel has struggled on the battlefield.
this totally makes sense right????this totally makes frum and charaid jews look like primitives….while toras chaim is our life…we are in this world and need to love our fellow jews regardless of their current affiliation..frum/charaidi jews need to conduct ourselves in the highest mroal state…we need to learn torah, protray highest of respect/manners and chip in to society while maintaing our values….when we protray ourselves as selfish and arrogant we are merachek anyone who even thinks of leading a torah lifestyle….
I’d love to hear how this joker explains the Holocaust when the vast majority of Jews DID study Torah.
The good rabbi forgot what he learned:
מי האיש הירא ורך הלבב ילך וישוב לביתו ולא ימס לבב אחיו כלבבו (דברים כ, ח), ובגמ׳ (סוטה מג, א) דלר׳ יוסי הגלילי רך הלבב היינו שמתיירא מעבירות שבידו. ומי שיהיו עבירות בידו יתיירא וילך וישוב לביתו, ונמצא כי רק יראי ה׳ הנקיים מעבירות ילכו למלחמה. אולם כ”ז במלחמה ע”פ תורה לא כן הוא עכשיו ובפרט שנהפוך הוא רבוא מהצבא אינם אפילו שותומ”צ
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I always found it interesting to see how Hashem consistently had us take up arms to defend or conquer. Miracles helped us win, but we had to fight and earn the win ourselves. I’m thinking of entering EY after Sinai, Chanukah, Purim, and modern day EY battles. Study alone was clearly not enough.
You can lump this rabbi in with the likes of Mel Gibson. I really am sure that G-d is not a G-d of antipathy for the lack of Torah study overall when the fact is that if you do not study today, perhaps you will study even more tomorrow as you learn your yiddishkeit. But of course, if you want to take credit for the worlds stage, go right ahead. G-d is sitting in heaven dishing out hatred and bad advice for anyone who is not a neshama superiority for the days ahead.
We just read Parshas Zachor. I don’t recall the Torah saying that Moshe told the Yidden to take out a Sefer and learn.
enough of the blame game.
vahavta lrayecha kamocha
all sides need to stand down and respect the other
no blaming, just reasonable solutions based on mutual respect
I think this idea is more prevalent amongst Israeli Rabbanim and the people who are sitting and learning than some of us might think. I personally don’t understand this thinking. They should look at their own actions if they wish to assign blame anywhere. 10’s of thousands of yidden are brought up without religeon and even with a hate for religeon right in their back yard and they do nothing about it. Even worse they behave in a way that turns people from yiddishkeit R”L.
How did Shmuel kill Agag? How did Dovid Hamelech destroy his enemies? How did the Maccabim liberate the Har Habayis? How did the Yehudim destroy their enemies in Persia? Who fought – only secular Jews?
Interesting I have a picture of Rav Goren A’H blowing shofar at the Kotel surrounded byIsraeli paratroopers. In 1948 if not for the seculars ,Palmach and Haganah, the Yishuv would have been wiped out . Does he know that. The paratroopers were not yuunge leit. Keep up- telling about Moshiach with such idiotic statements.
This Purim laitzan’s message, that “it is those who do not study the Torah who are responsible for Israel’s security issues, and that it is they who must serve in the army”, coupled with his picture depicting with that idiotic laugh, do absolutely zilch to confirm any possible trust we might have in him.
Whichever way one looks at him or what he has to say brings up completely negative thoughts. And whoever heard of him before today? More to he point, will we ever hear from him again? Somehow I doubt it very much.
The rabbi is right. It was the klausenberger rebbe ztl who met Moshe Dayan and begged him not to allow the Arabs who fled after the six day war to return. The idiot Dayan allowed the Arabs to return and now we are stuck with the enemy within. Barack the other pork eater also offered to give up all the land to Arafat. Gilda Meir as well caused hundreds of Jewish soldiers to die the first day of yom kipper war to show world Arabs attacked first,as if the world cared. The seculars have one thing in their confused secular heads. Looking good in the eyes of the goyim. Once we Chareidim take over if an Arab throws a stone it’s ten years jail for attempted murder or he can leave Israel for good with his entire family. We Chareidim are tired of these chilonim liberal cowards.
What I find fascinating is that those who say that the only defense of the Jewish people is the learning of Torah seem to have no interest in taking the next step. If learning Torah is the only important thing, any time we are in danger those scholars should run to the most dangerous spot. See what the seculars, and orthodox, who live there are going through. If that would be done I might understand better.
“Respected Rabbi” not in my eyes. I wish these guys would just shut-up already. At this rate will never witness Mashiach.
SIYUG LECHOCMO SHTIKA……Rebbe Shlita…with all due respect. you better make sure your own personal house is in order before you cast blame. In my humble opinion you are not qualified to make statements like this. Unless your are a GODOL HADOR then maybe, and even previous gedolim never made rash proclamations like this. you have to be so careful in this day and age what you say because the world is topsy turvy/
Unless you are on the level of rav eliyashiv or rav kanievsky , please rebbe respectfully remain silent. Rav moshe and the satmar rebbe never commented about why the shoah happenned no matter what they felt in their hearts. And you rebbe shlita with all due respect are no reb moshe or satmar rebbe
מצוה ללמוד לפני סעודת פורים,
והטעם מבואר בדרכי משה שהתורה יגן עליו שלא יארע תקלה בשעת הסעודה.
ואם בשעה שעוסק במצות סעודת פורים ק”ו בשאר יום שצריכים זכות הלימוד התורה,
ויה”ר שכל מי שעוסק בתורה וכן כל מי שמחזק התורה שהתורה יגן בעדו ובעד כל משפחתו עד ביאת גוא”צ בב”א
I’m number 23 replying. Moshe Dayan was the general in six day war but allowed the Arabs who fled to return despite the klausenberger rebbe begging him not to. The rebbe told him that they would harm the Jewish populace in the future. Barack the pork eater was offering Arafat all of Jerusalem and offering Syria the return of west bank. You anti Chareidi Commentator are saying he dressed up as a woman to infiltrate Arab territories,hes still a woman and is no better than golds Meir who used frum header soldiers as cannon fotter in yom kipper 1973 war. Her and Dayan both wanted to show world how the Arabs attacked first at the expense of 500 religious soldiers. They knew of the planned attack by Egypt and Syria yet left the borders manned by a handful of troops. Ans rabin the other traitor who actually ate dog flesh in his visit to Japan was responsible for a thousand Jews dying in Israel as he gave the PLO 50 thousand guns. So now instead of stones they can shoot Jews. This is your secular leaders who want to draft yeshiva students. In fact olmarts own two sons never joined the army and ran away from Israel and yet when he was prime minister he confused the Israeli soldiers with one minute telling them to attack in Lebanon and next minute they had to sit like sitting ducks getting fired upon like Jews in the holocaust firing squads. Only a Chareidi leader like amnon yitzchak will make a good prime minister. All these secular bareheaded bafoons are self hating Jews.
This is only the latest example of how right-wing Orthodox communities are increasingly out-of-touch and irrelevant. No one else pays attention to their leaders.