By Rabbi Yair Hoffman
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Some call it the Great Divide between Modox and More Yeshivesh. However, the question has not yet entered the list of “Shidduch questions” that are generally posed to parents of children who have now entered the phase of dating. Some are even disturbed by the very question: Is it halachically proper to formally celebrate Thanksgiving with a turkey dinner with one’s family?
This is not to say that the Yeshiva community does not express appreciation for the wonderful freedoms that this country has championed both for its citizens and for peoples throughout the world. And the entire Jewish community appreciates tremendously that the President and this wonderful country stood up against the evil that is Hamas in Israel’s time of need.
The greatest of our Rabbis have stated that the United States is a “malchus shel Chessed – a Kingdom of Lovingkindness” and that our thoughts and prayers should express appreciation for the wonderful nation in which we live. Indeed, one Rosh Yeshiva once stated, “I would rather be a street-sweeper in America where I have the religious freedom to learn Torah, than a Rabbi in Communist Russia.”
THE QUESTIONS
The questions rather, however, are, is it permitted to express one’s appreciation within the context of following the rituals of the Thanksgiving holiday? We may further ask, what is the exact nature of the Thanksgiving holiday? From a halachic perspective, is it a religious holiday or a secular holiday? And what, exactly, is the halachic definition of a religious holiday?
It is clear that these are the questions that must be resolved and addressed. They must be addressed using logic and reason rather than emotion. No question of law or halacha should be addressed with emotion as the underlying motivation, as noble as the motivation may be. Each person should, of course, address the question to one’s own Rav or Posaik.
So, let us begin. The issue at hand is the prohibition of “Ubechukosaihem lo sailechu” (VaYikra 18:3). What are its ramifications? The Shulchan Aruch and Rama (Yore Deah 178:1) discuss the parameters: “We do not walk in the customs of the Ovdei Kochavim..(Ramah) Rather, one should be separate from them in one’s dress and in his other actions. This is only prohibited in matters that they do which involve immodesty.. or in a matter that they do as a custom or law with no basis to it.. and it contains within it a smattering of Avodas Kochavim that they have from their ancestors..”
The underlying issue is, therefore, does the holiday in question contain within it a smattering of Avodas Kochavim that they have from their ancestors?
THE DIFFERENT VIEWS
The Gedolim have issued their opinions on the matter. Rav Yitzchok Hutner clearly forbade the celebration of Thanksgiving (heard from his student, Rabbi Yaakov Feitman), as did Rav Avidor Miller, while Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Mordechai Gifter had more lenient approaches.
TRANSLATION OF RAV MOSHE’S RESPONSUM
Below is a translation of Rav Moshe Feinstein’s view found in his Igros Moshe (YD 4:11).
“And in the matter of participating with those who consider Thanksgiving as a sort of holiday to make a feast. It would seem that:
(1)Since in the books of their religion this day is not mentioned as a holiday, and also that they are not obligated in holding a meal and;
(2)Since it is a day of commemoration for the people of the country, in which he is also happy in the country that he came to reside in now or from before, we do not have a lav prohibition in rejoicing at such a feast, nor in the consumption of turkey. And we find similar to this in Kiddushin 66a, that Yannai the King made a simcha for the victorious capturing in the war of Kuchalis in the wilderness. They ate vegetables there to commemorate it. But it is certainly forbidden to establish it as an obligation and as a Mitzvah. Rather it may be a voluntary celebration now. In this manner, without making it an obligation and a Mitzvah, he may do so.
But I do hold that nonetheless it is forbidden to make this a permanent celebration. Only in that year that Yannai the king captured did he make it a simcha but not a permanent one. There is also the prohibition of adding on to the Torah. Even though one can question whether it is a lav – nonetheless, it is certainly forbidden. “
Other Poskim, however, held to the more strict view that Thanksgiving does fall under the Ramah’s rubric of “a smattering of Avodas Kochavim that they have from their ancestors.” The history of Thanksgiving can be quite informative in understanding this position.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THANKSGIVING
The pilgrims, or Puritans, were, by and large, Christian religious refugees from England. They differed slightly from the Puritans that had remained in England. They conceived of themselves as the new Israelites, entering the promised land. They did take many of their names from the “Old Testament,” but they also believed strongly in their Christian heritage. Many of them died in this new land in which they arrived. The end of 1622 and the beginning of 1623 were particularly harsh months. They had survived the winter, and that summer – they celebrated.
The first celebration took place on July 30th, 1623. In 1789, a resolution was presented to Congress to establish Thanksgiving as a national holiday. It was accepted and Thursday, November 26th 1789, was chosen as the day.
In 1817, New York State adopted Thanksgiving Day as an annual custom. By the middle of the 19th century many other states also celebrated a Thanksgiving Day. In 1863, President Abraham Lincoln appointed a national day of Thanksgiving. Since then, many presidents have issued a Thanksgiving Day proclamation, usually designating the fourth Thursday of each November as the holiday.
Rav Feinstein zt”l applied the criterion of the day “not being mentioned in the books of their religion” as a determining factor as to whether or not a particular day might be considered a religious holiday or a national holiday.
DOES A RELIGION HAVE TO BE SO OFFICIAL?
But does a religion have to be so official? What if a group of people breaks off from a church? The “break-away church” may not have official “books of their religion” – yet we would clearly categorize their practices and observances as a religion.
Let’s take, for example, the Anglicans that were in this country at the very beginnings of the United States. In the 1770’s, the Anglicans in this country were in a slightly awkward position.
They were loyal Americans and yet they still belonged to the Church of England, whose leader was the King of England.
What did these American Anglicans do? They broke away.
Would one imagine that any religious practice that they observed would not be considered Avodah Zarah? Later, they formed the Episcopalian Church. But until that point they were a breakaway without official books or laws.
WHO WERE THE PILGRIMS?
Who were the pilgrims? They were Puritans who were religious refugees from England. To quote Bradford Smith, the author of Bradford of Plymouth:
Puritanism in England was essentially a movement within the established church for the purifying of that church – for ministers godly and able to teach, for a simplifying of ritual, for a return to the virtues of primitive Christianity. There was nothing revolutionary about the main body of its doctrine. . Its innovating principle was in the idea that the Bible, rather than any established religious hierarchy, was the final authority. Therefore every man, every individual, had direct access to the word of G-d. It was the Puritan’s aim to reconstruct and purify not only the church, but individual conduct and all the institutions men live by.
THE PURITAN’S CONCEPT OF G-D
Our next question is also paramount. What was their concept of G-d? The pilgrims were Puritans who believed in the Christian concept of the trinity.
So here we have a holiday established by a breakaway group from the Church of England the purpose of which is to thank G-d, or their concept of G-d, for having saved them from that harsh winter. Their concept of G-d does not coincide with the Judaic idea of G-d’s Absolute Unity. One can easily understand why these Poskim do not agree with Rav Feinstein’s position.
CONCLUSIONS
Rav Moshe Feinstein did rule that one may eat turkey on Thanksgiving and eat a meal together with family at this time as long as one does not make it into a hard and fast rule. Those who wish to follow this position certainly have whom to rely upon.
Others who question this understanding of the nature of the holiday, should certainly not observe it if they feel uncomfortable. If they feel that it involves a smattering of Avodah Zarah – they should certainly refrain. Once again, these issues should be decided through logic and not through an emotional appeal or zeal – one way or the other. It should also be presented to one’s Rav or Posaik.
Everyone, however should take the time to express gratitude to Hashem for the beautiful country we have. Not doing so, when everyone else is expressing their gratitude smacks of a lack of gratitude. In order that it not be something reserved specifically for this day, however, it might be worthwhile to express this gratitude on a grander scale than just one mere day.
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As a nation in exile, we’ve been through so many countries around the world. Imagine if we picked up the benign local customs in each place, we’d be more Gentile than Jew. Judaism was preserved over the millennia because we resisted adopting the chukos Ho’amim, the customs of the nations. The Gedolei Yisroel of the past didn’t celebrate this non-Jewish meal, so neither will I. They are called the Einei Ho’eida, the eyes that see the future ramifications of our choices in the present. The less we assimilate culturally in the Galus, the greater our chance of remaining Torah-loyal Jews to greet the Geulah.
We need to express our appreciation to this great country in other ways.
There are poskim who permit a festive Thanksgiving meal, with turkey etc. it is upon these poskim that the thousands of Orthodox Jews who do celebrate this holiday rely.
Especially during this trying time for Orthodox Jews we should publicly express thanks for the freedoms we have in the USA and not provide the antisemites with more ammunition.
Anything that suggests we do not appreciate this country can harm our relations with non-Jews.
This is not even a nesayon for me. I hate the taste of turkey.
I think you left out what many consider to be a very important part of the Rav Moshe teshuva:
a Baal Nefesh will be Machmir. Then you can go into the entire sugya of what is a Baal Nefesh.
Two points that should not have been left out of this exposition. (1) Michael Broyde has written comprehensively on this topic. (2) Rav Soloveitchik’s approach was more favorable toward the Thanksgiving celebration aspects than that of Rav Moshe Feinstein. It has been recounted numerous times that The Rav did insist on giving shiur on Thanksgiving, but at an earlier hour than usual, explaining on at least one occasion, “We have Thanksgiving dinner with my sister, and I promised my wife we’ll be there at 2:00, so I have to catch the 12:00 plane.” But on one such occasion, The Rav was in the midst of working out a very difficult Tosafot and told the shiur that plane schedule or not, they were staying until they had worked out that Tosafot.
One must express gratitude to Hashem every single day and if he has a special ness Make a sidus Hadoah
I daven in a Shuel that has two Kollim during the day and a guy had a big ness he asked Rav Schlisinger from Monsey he told him give 10 koleol Yingleit a breakfast He gave a big breakfest “Today”
Why turkey? Celebrations are with cake.
America is not the land of Ovdei Kochavim. On the contrary: it believes in divine blessing, not astrology or fate. America is just about as close as a non-Jewish country can get to the ideals of the Torah.
whether you ate turkey or not. This is not an issue of avoiding anti-semitism or איבה . You want to avoid cultural assimilation. Same for not watching super bowl while eating buffalo wings and hoagi sandwiches
In the second paragraph you write ‘That is not to say that the Yeshiva community does not express gratitude for the freedoms…’ and then you go on to quote Gedolim who made statements (apparently made to their own communities in private settings). Your point falls very short.
Exactly how does the Yeshiva community expresses gratitude for the freedoms in a way that’s public and heard by the people in the community that you are thanking? Maybe block voting for a Republican governor who had very little chance of winning ? Not really a good argument since votes are meant to what you hope for in the future (and self serving too).
So other than unattributed (anonymous and mostly private and very old – Communist Russia ??) statements by leaders who may or may not represent the majority of the Yeshiva community today exactly what do you mean by the Yeshiva community EXPRESSING gratitude? Being silently grateful is exactly the opposite of what Thanksgiving is meant to represent. And it’s definitely noticed by people who are watching the same way people who don’t stand (or people who kneel) in public places when everyone else is standing during the national anthem, are noticed.
“… and that our thoughts and prayers should express appreciation for the wonderful nation ….”
Correct, we should never exclude Non Jews from our Prayers of Refuainu – Rofeh Choilei Amoy Yisroel. Also when we say, Shlach Refuah Shleimo Lchoilei Amecha.
What about lighting fireworks and eating hotdogs on the 4th of July? Is that any different?
We have the entire tishrei to eat together as well as every Shabbos I don’t see another reason to forcefully get together unless you’re that bored and don’t learn on your days off
For a long time, the various groups (i.e. PETA), who demonstrate for the rights of animals, would always demonstrate against Kosher slaughtering houses (i.e. Rubaskin’s facility in Iowa), alleging that such facilities were “inhumane”. Yet, PETA and other groups have never said a word, against the many gentile slaughtering houses, which kill over 25,000,000 turkeys for Thanksgiving. There appears to be one standard for kosher slaughtering houses, and another for gentile ones.
What about celebrating both Canadian and USA Thanksgivings, but in opposite countries from where they’re supposed to be celebrated? Have you thought about that? No, you always assume that people either follow the traditions of their country or of their own people. Don’t make that assumption about anyone, even yourself. That’s autoxenophobia.