Beit Shemesh, Israel – Members of the Neturei Karta sect were burning Israeli flags Wednesday in protest against Israel’s 61st anniversary of statehood.
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The protest took place during a ceremony in Beit Shemesh, near Jerusalem. Protestors carried signs saying: “We mourn Israel’s 61 years of existence”.
Beit Shemesh is home to dozens of families belonging to the Neturei Karta faith, which does not recognize Israel’s legitimacy. Followers of the faith believe a sectarian Jewish state is blasphemous and detrimental to the coming of the Messiah.
Last week, while the people of Israel honored those who perished in the Holocaust with a moment of silence, dozens of Neturei Karta members protested in Jerusalem.
At around 10 am the protestors gathered in the city’s Sabbath Square, and as the siren sounded for a moment of silence began crossing the busy street. They held signs condemning “the Zionist Holocaust Day” and clashed with police and passersby.
At least now while they’re burnning the flag we know where these people are, and they’re not at some bunker meeting with Achmedenijad, Hizzbalah etc.
sick animals. Let Israel kick out these bums send them to Iran.
Israel should send them to live in Ramallah or even better Bait Hanoun there they will not have to deal with the Medina and further they can contribute to the destruction of the Medina with the enemy.
These people are hypocrites! I want to know if when they have an emergency whom they call if not the Israeli police. Do they receive medical benefits, or food stamps from the government. Do they walk on payved ground by the govenment how about their electricity, bus service, etc. If you don’t like the country make sure you do not take any services from the “Zionist Regime”. How about moving to Iran where you will be free to practice Judaism the way you want, or so you think. people who have a job don’t have time to protest, get a job and get a life.
I, as an orthodox Jew, am horrified by the behaviour of the members of the Naturei Karta sect! To not recognise the State of Isreal is one thing, but why behave worse then GOYIM and disrespecting the memory of those who gave their lives Al Kiddush Hashem, during the Shoah?
To not support, recognise or agree with the Israeli state is one thing, but to commit acts of Chilul Hashem is another.
It would be better if the Naturei Karta members would just leave all the western countries, around the world, and immigrate to Iran or Saudi Arabia. They would be welcome there and feel themselves amongst equals!
As Orthodox Jews, we should even stop metioning Naturei Karta and eradicate the group of all our records. All they long for is puplicity, nothing else.
My final words to them is: “Take of the masks you are wearing and tell people that you all are Muslims in discise!”
we live in a free country. israel emulates our freedom and i guess allows these neturei karta chevra get wild once in a while . i truly how many of these chevra are taking benefits from the medina in spite of their actions. i remember years ago when some non-neturai karta groups did not take moneys for their yeshivas. iwonder if it still true today.
although I think of them as radical, I still believe that somehow they are speaking for all true orthodox Jews!
Has Israel evicted any of the Neturai Karta from the country? Perhaps if a few of the most militant Neturei Karta in Israel are forced to leave, then the others in Israel might tone down their tactics. If some Neturei Karta are forced to leave Israel and have a hard time finding a country to accept them, then perhaps many Neturai Karta in Israel might start to realize how important the modern state of Israel is for Jews who might have no other place to go.
Can someone please explain to me why they live there? And when they’re sick do they go to the hospital? Do they call an ambulance? Go by bus? Accept any state run assistance, including Kupat Cholim?
These animals are beneath contempt.
at least they are preparing what will happen to them bekorov. I’m sure they’ll enjoy their fate with their terrorist buddies.
How do these Neturei Karta people openly desecrate a tribute to the huge amount of people who were murdered in cold blood throughout the Holocaust? They themselves are descendants of people who perished during the Holocaust! Furthermore, even if they were not descendants of the Holocaust (which they are), why do they feel the need to violate this day of tribute on which we mourn the loss of so many great people? They are a disgrace to Judaism and they bring a bad name upon our religion for the rest of us.
An episode like this brings into question what type of people we’re dealing with here. I have to wonder how many of them would like to go and spend a few years in Iran or Syria living like the local Jewish population. They may not agree with the state. However, I hope that Hashem will give them the strength to be tolerant of others; lest one day, they might find themselves being burnt as well.
Stupid beheimos. Do they think they accomplish anything except to increase hatred of Jews for each other? Are they the same ones who attack women on the buses?
Just a few years ago Ramat Beit Shemesh used to be a really relaxed frum anglo community. Today it is a battlefield…
why didnt they all jump in to the fire and sacrifice themselves…… what bothers me most is that they had a nerve to protest on the day of the holocaust remembrance for those that died al kiddush hashem and were murdered and slaughtered and beaten to death that already is starting up with hashem himself and for that u got to ask all 6 million kedoshim and all those that went through those hellish years for mechila thats just a disgrace and will definitely not fasten the geilah
This is news? Meshugaim do what what they born to do.
Wow they really look jewish. Why can’t they just move to iran or yeman? Miserable on employed ppl lol.
so why r they even living in israel?
kind of weird huh?!
“Followers of the faith believe a sectarian Jewish state is blasphemous and detrimental to the coming of the Messiah.”
RIGHT………..The absolute sinah that comes from this group must be the tikun to us blasphemous people who don’t share their same beliefs.
The gemara explains that Ach’av was more victorious in battle than Dovid HaMelech because Ach’av’s army had more achdus even though they worshiped avoda zara. Do the Neturei Karta think that the pro-medina element in Israel are worse than the people who worshiped avoda zara in Ach’av’s day? Not only do they not attempt to be united with their fellow Jews, they join up with our enemies!! There is NEVER EVER an excuse for joining the enemies of the Jews against the Jews.
They put on sacloth as a sighn of “avalus” but if you look at the bumbs face they are laghing???
Before you lambast them for excersizing their freedom of expression in way that makes you uncomfortable, bear in mind what Voltaire said: “I may not approve of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
If everyone ignored these attention sluts they would shrivel up and go away. They thrive on attention. Don’t give them what they want.
Why do they live in Israel then?? Move to chutz l’aretz!
Mamzerim. Yemach Shemam.
#29 – would you say the same for abbas and ahmedinejad? its the same opinoin and same freedom of expression!
these neturei karta people are jew haters and make the biggest chilul hasham
shame on you shame on you shame on you
How these behamos different from hamas and the rest of the arabs. 28 lest they don’t kill people.
i think if nobody will look at them they will stop this meshugaasaen?
who looks at them ?
this is the true meaning of am ha’aretz. they know nothing of their own history and have a distorted view of their religion. they are mindless drones.
Read this posting about durham 2 from a gentleman who attended:
“This may have left his colleagues who stayed behind without an apparent group leader, which may have made the next episode possible. Dr Charles Small of the Yale Initiative for the Study of Anti-Semitism proposed that, with a short period remaining of Holocaust Remembrance Day, people rise to observe a minute of silence. The victims of mankind’s worst example of genocide should be remembered.
Everyone rose – including the thirty Iranians. Perhaps they were simply blindsided by the request, and followed the lead of everyone else. Perhaps, not having other instructions, they believed that failing to rise was more problematic for them than coming to their feet and joining everyone else in attendance.
So the entire session, including the delegates of the Islamic Republic of Iran, memorialized the kedoshim of the Shoah. Everyone, that is, with the exception of one gentleman who refused to rise, and sat through the brief ceremony. He had a beard, and wore a black hat, and long black clothes. He spoke Yiddish, not Farsi. His hatred of Zionism/ Israel had led him this far – to refuse to acknowledge with the others the gravity of the Holocaust.”
kickem out of the land they hate PERIOD!!!!
Boy the Nut-eray karta never cease to amaze me. They live in Israel and yet they despise it. The wear sackcloth and yet they are happy. They dress and supposedly act like Orthodox Jews, yet they bring a bad name to our faith. Many ant-Semites and ignoramuses out there actually believe that the NK are represent “Real Jews”. Last time I checked, those that befriend our enemies (eg. Amendawackjob of Iran, Hamas & Co., and every Holocaust denier) are our enemies. They lack Chesed and hate their brethren. What happened to those that worshiped the golden calf – died by they sword. They worship a golden calf of hate lack of ahavas chesed and ahavas yisroel.
I have one question. What does remembering those who perished in the Holocaust have to do with the State of Israel. I am not a fan of the State of Israel I love Kedushas E”Y and I remember those who perished.
If we can’t get them to stop burning the flags can we at least get them to dip the flags in gasoline and wrap them tightly around their heads before lighting them?
if they hate the state of isreal why are they living there and not only that they would be dirt poor if it wasn’t for the isreali government
Why are so many of us (myself unfortunately included) bothering to waste our time commenting on this story?! Agreed, they’re a bunch of idiots who are seeking attention. If they were ignored, eventually they’d go away. Just like a bully. Obviously what they say is stupid. You can be a fan of the medina or not but it’s definitely a better option than the alternative — being under arab rule. As an older Russian lady said to me today, if not for the state of Israel giving her a place to go, instead of her children covering their hair and her grandchildren learning in yeshiva they would probably be married to goyim.
Remember freedom of expression last time i checked Israel was a democratic country. They are lawfully entitled to their opinion. (I’m not sure what the law is on burning the country’s flag.) We have in Canada a federal party that’s trying to break up the country.
animals….
For those who ask why they live in Israel, the answer is that many of them (their parents) lived in Israel before 1948.
Whatever the case, the things that they do is just unbelievable. They are a bunch of misguided people and I really really feel bad for them. I pray that Hashem guide them to the right path.
#49, I agree with you.
Chase them out of the state. No other state would put up with this.
Ask these clowns all the benifits they get from the “zoinists” bus service, subsidized food etc. When it come to taking money all of a sudden the zionist is not so bad. They are a bunch of frauds, and a disgrace to klal yisroel.
they r right the state of israel is a tragedy that was created 2 make peapole non religious and is holding back mashiach!
In his latter years, Rav Shach zt”l was once asked to write an editorial for yated (the paper he established) condemning Neturei Karta. He replied (forgive me if I paraphrase, I do not have the book in front of me): “Why would I condemn them?? We AGREE with them!! Our only difference is that they oppose Zionism from the outside, we oppose it from the inside.”
Would any person here be so chutzpadik to call Rav Shach a goy??? a self hating Jew??? to have demanded he be kicked out of Israel???
You accuse them of defaming the memory of the kedoshim of the Holocaust but in their view (which was ALSO the view of the Satmar Rebbe zt”l AND Rav Elchonon Wasserman HY”D) that the Holocaust was CAUSED by (a punishment for) Zionism and that Zionist actions exacerbated the suffering. To them, burning the symbol (the flag) of Zionism therefore pays the HIGHEST respect to the Kedoshim.
You may reasonably argue that some of their actions are disgraceful (and I might even agree with you, especially on their attending the Holocaust denial conference which was just plain STUPID) but you cannot demonstrate even ONE JEW that has ever suffered at any time, at any place as a result of their behavior. You cannot say the same for zionists.
You ask why they stay if they hate Israel so much. The truth is, Neturei Karta was formed in the 1930s by the descendants of Jews that came to Eretz Yisroel more than 50 years BEFORE Zionism was even thought of. In other words, they were there first!!! They don’t hate Eretz Yisroel… they LOVE it. What they hate is the movement and state that they believe desecrates the land, tears Yidden away from Toras Emes and has caused, both directly and indirectly, the death and suffering of millions fo Jews. They don’t hate Jews… they love Jews SO MUCH that they are willing to be hated (by many of you) for it.
And yet, you accuse THEM of sinas chinam but where is YOUR ahavas Yisroel for them??? You have the right to disagree with them, but PLEASE remember, their view of Zionism is NO DIFFERENT from that of Reb Yoilish, Rav Schach and Rav Wasserman!!!
Thanks to Israel’s democracy and freedom these guys do these shameful activities. I think they are not real Jews.Why couldn’t they understand they live in Israel and because of existence of Israel they have the opportunity to do what ever they want. If they were Jews of other countries like Iran they couldn’t ever express themselves freely. We as the Jews of Iran love Israel but we are in minority and we can’t say it freely.