Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY – NYPD of the 90th Pct responded to a 911 call that a young child is roaming parentless the streets of Williamsburg.
Police took the child into the 90th Pct station house, where EMS who also responded to that 911 call, came to check out the child.
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Hatzolah and Shomrim were notified of the lost child by PD. Meanwhile the parents realized that their child is missing they went down to the police station house and insisted that Hatzolah should handle their child, but EMS refused, claiming that for now the childs safety is their responsibility and the child should be properly checked in the hospital.
EMS transported the child to the Woodhall Hospital for evaluation, with Hatzolah and the parents at tow. The hospital reported the case to ACS and the child was later released in good condition.
1:46 AM – I concur with your comment! The people on this blog that immediately condemn the parents do not understand that some toddlers have wanderlust and are not mature enough to understand the concept of fear. 🙂
Anonymous said…
BEWARE…BE ALERT ..THE CATSKILLS HAVE BEARS ,FOXES AND COYOTES…CHAIM
June 27, 2007 7:21 AM
I understand bears, foxes and cayotees – but why should we beware of chaim?
why din’t the N.Y.P.D. call for shomrim or hatzolo them selfs it’s obvious their is an agenda in willi were all other neiborhoods think the coomunity has good relations with the authority’s, in my neiborhood N.Y.P.D. are instruckted to call the top and a call is made to the pct desk who have the community liazons numbers who are mostly familiar with the language of that lost chinese spanish or yidish etc. and the problem doesnt escalate more than it has to 90% of the time the liazons solve the problem, so from my ruling the responding officer wasn’t informed or he alway’s sleeps at roll call.
EMS WAS CORRECT IN TAKING THE CHILD TO THE HOSPITAL. WHERE WAS THE MOTHER ? IF THIS HAPPENS UPSTATE CAN YOU IMAGINE THE DANGER TO THE CHILD. PARENTS…..BEWARE…BE ALERT ..THE CATSKILLS HAVE BEARS ,FOXES AND COYOTES…CHAIM
it is quite obvious most of you people have no kids of your own and LOTS of time.and most of you are males.
any mother can tell you that kids do figure out ways to get in trouble all the time. from the sound of things most of you guys must have given your mothers plenty of grief.
this kid may have opened the door and walked out. all it takes is the blink of an eye. it can happen when you have even 1 child. a mother needs to go to the bathroom and take a shower sometime too.
if there are any mothers out there, let’s hear your opinion.
most of my kids are married but I haven’t forgotten some of the trouble they got into.
oh stop it; nobody is perfect and even the ACS knows that sometimes things happen accidentally. So; they will keep an eye on the family and mom will make sure that things are in order for 6 months. If she is a good mom she will get through it (with lots of tension). The ACS is doing an important job, they don’t understand maybe that we Yidden have more of a heart, but they still have a job to do. And if they save even one child from harm they have done alot.
To all! i know this family its a family with JUST 4 CHILDREN!!! time for all of you to go get a life and stop with stupid comments huh….. berry
Am I accurate in assuming that most of the people posting critical comments about the parents have never been responsible for toddlers for any length of time?
Yes, I know parents who make choices in the care of their children that are, IMHO, insane. But you know what? You could hire armed guards to watch your kid 24/7, and a kid could still do the *one* thing you never anticipated. Or the kid who couldn’t reach a lock two days ago is *just* able to unlatch it today.
Bottom line: every parent has to do the best job possible and daven for the health and safety of his/her kinderlach. Negatively judging parents for something within normal boundaries is simply an invitation for nisyonos.
this posting reminds me of the posting about maimonides hospital a few weeks ago.
everybody has a comment how the police and ems should work, same as everybody had a comment how the hospital should work.
but very few in the haimish oilim will actually do the work.
if there were more frum people working in these vital jobs we could all get along better.
“ANON 7:02” by “what if” means, if given the oppurtune to make difficulty’s like let’s say to take away our children put them in foster homes etc. instead of returning our children by simply by taking it’s authorative being and turning around asking or even looking for a gaurdian doesent take much, instead does the opposite like the intentions of bilham harosho, if we were in the 1930’s era they will use their authority on the ss behalf, so just in case if their is a flareup in this “ich bin a new yorker” city like ich bin a berliner, we will know who we could or can’t trust, bottom line we need each other at the end of the day. good luck
“by any chance is the E.M.S. personal somehow related to the D.O.T. that gave trouble last week on 13th ave, is this another case of the ss at work, and I know how sensitive this word is but from time to time we need a little reminder of what if???”
We’re getting a little paranoid here, I think. I would hardly compare a DOT agent doing his/her job and properly making a report because he/she saw a baby left alone in a car [I presume that is the incident to which you refer] or EMS exercising lawful jurisdiction to make sure a small child is OK after the police found the child wandering around (saving the tinok from much potential harm) and called them in, to the “SS”.
Some (and I stress that word, SOME) frumme yidden get so carried away with the “Esav sonnei Yaakov” mindset that they automatically equate any uniformed “goyishe” person in authority doing their job if it brings them into contact with Jews, with “Nazis” or “Cossacks.” I did not see anyone being marched off to a concentration camp, either in BP or Williamsbug, or beheaded by a wildman on a horse with a sword, thank G-d.
Such misguided analogies trivilize the very real suffering that Yidden DID go through in places like Germany and Russia at the hands of such thugs. Did not Reb Moshe, ztl, call America a “medina shel chesed” and tell us “dina malchusa dina” — the law of the land is the law that we must follow, except in a few very extreme case? That means that unless someone from the police, the EMS or DOT said or did something EXPLICITLY anti-Semitic (giving someone a ticket or following proper procedure to have a found child taken to a medical facility for an examination do not quite fall into those categories), we are expected to avoid a chillul Hashem by acknowledging their temporal authority and cooperating with them.
As orthodox Jews, we base our mindset on the Torah.
The Torah commands us to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.”
There have been tens of thousands oh Halachik and Hashkafic sefarim (books) written. I challenge you to come up with even one sefer that supports the view that it’s better to have less children so you can care for them better.
This idea of having less children is pure American and European mentality. You won’t find Jews from Hispanic or other countries where having many kids is the norm, with this ideology.
We need to recognize that whereas the American and European cultures may think they are cultured, we as Orthodox Jews, look to the Torah for our cultural cues. We don’t look anywhere else for our hashkafa.
Take a walk in Boro Park Williamsburg and look around. you will very likely see a nice large Jewish family with all the kids wearing matching clothing while right behind them you will notice a “goyish” mom wheeling her wailing 2 year old while cursing him/her and threatening to kill him/her if they don’t “shut the f**k up!” so no matter the quantity it’s the quality that makes it work. Coming from a large family and planning on making one there is nothing more beautiful than having a full shabbos tisch surrounded by kids’ grandkids and great grand kids growing in the ways of our ancestors.
by any chance is the E.M.S. personal somehow related to the D.O.T. that gave trouble last week on 13th ave, is this another case of the ss at work, and I know how sensitive this word is but from time to time we need a little reminder of what if???
Any update?
Anonymous said…
I am always appalled how the terms SS and NAZI are thrown around here. My parents were under the nazis for years and any reminder or misuse is very wrong. Please use other terms to insult.
I believe it was an accident of parents that will be more careful from now on. I heard their family is not large yet. I think it was handled correctly by all involved, there should be acs looking in, maybe they will get some free help.
June 26, 2007 4:59 PM
Agreed, it was handled correctly.
However, the fact that your parents or mine survived the camps does not mean that the poor excuse of a human being who wrote about the runny nosed kids running around Lee Avenue naked doesn’t sound like something out of Der Stummer.
B’Davka, as one who uses such terms exceedingly sparingly, this ‘yid’ should be told the truth. He needs to do some real worrying about his soul because words like that do not come from a healthy yiddisher neshomah.
Can anyone here imagine anyone’s gadol from the Satmar to YU referring to any Jewish child that way?
Can you imagine Reb Shloima a”h talking that way?
Become old is not a choice. Having children is a choice.
Having children is not a choice.
Getting old is no more a choice, unless you believe in Dr. Kervorkian.
June 26, 2007 4:50 PM
Having children is also not a choice, unless you believe in birth control.
I am always appalled how the terms SS and NAZI are thrown around here. My parents were under the nazis for years and any reminder or misuse is very wrong. Please use other terms to insult.
I believe it was an accident of parents that will be more careful from now on. I heard their family is not large yet. I think it was handled correctly by all involved, there should be acs looking in, maybe they will get some free help.
You know some times little kids are percousious. They don’t have the ability to think in the long term, a door is left open or someone leave and they want out too. So they go. It does not make the parents negligent. And it has nothing to do with the size of the family. When I had only 3 one shabbos morning I realized it was too quite in the house and as soon as I saw the door I knew my two year old must have some how opened the door. I ran out and he was already in middle of the street. I was never so embarrased in my life. But It took him 20 seconds flat, to turn the knob and slide down the stairs. A good parent will make sure after one incident that it cannot happen again. But in truth with little ones anything can happen and you cannot be too careful.
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I agree. But don’t you think that a mother of 3 would have a better handle on the kids than a mother of 11?
can u all stop putting up these silly comments gotta be careful
Become old is not a choice. Having children is a choice.
Having children is not a choice.
Getting old is no more a choice, unless you believe in Dr. Kervorkian.
does anyone know where this happened what part of williamsburg??
Sure, very jealous that I have no idea that my 2 y/o old is running naked up and down Lee Avenue with a runny nose and my last pack of food stamps.
June 26, 2007 4:00 PM
This has got to be the worst example of vile self hating anti semitism I have read since William Kuntsler was mezakeh es harabim by dropping dead.
You know some times little kids are percousious. They don’t have the ability to think in the long term, a door is left open or someone leave and they want out too. So they go. It does not make the parents negligent. And it has nothing to do with the size of the family. When I had only 3 one shabbos morning I realized it was too quite in the house and as soon as I saw the door I knew my two year old must have some how opened the door. I ran out and he was already in middle of the street. I was never so embarrased in my life. But It took him 20 seconds flat, to turn the knob and slide down the stairs. A good parent will make sure after one incident that it cannot happen again. But in truth with little ones anything can happen and you cannot be too careful.
Anonymous said…
True, until they become a burden on others.
June 26, 2007 1:20 PM
I hope someone remembers those words when you get old and become a burden on others.
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Become old is not a choice. Having children is a choice.
June 26, 2007 4:08 PM
Too bad your parents made the wrong choice.
Yiddin who sound like SS guards we the world didn’t need.
Anonymous said…
True, until they become a burden on others.
June 26, 2007 1:20 PM
I hope someone remembers those words when you get old and become a burden on others.
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Become old is not a choice. Having children is a choice.
June 26, 2007 4:08 PM
If having children is a choice so is growing old.
Both are avoidable if you are willing to disregard halachic considerations.
Anonymous said…
I feel bad for said poster whose jealousy turns towards anger.
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Sure, very jealous that I have no idea that my 2 y/o old is running naked up and down Lee Avenue with a runny nose and my last pack of food stamps.
June 26, 2007 4:00 PM
You sound like a Nazi.
Why is it that every freaking post on this board becomes an all out WAR?? Remember this, arguing over the Internet is like the special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.
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How DARE you make fun of the physically challenged? Lo Uleinu, many Haimishe yidden have such Neshomes. Please be more careful in your shprach.
Why is it that every freaking post on this board becomes an all out WAR?? Remember this, arguing over the Internet is like the special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.
True, until they become a burden on others.
June 26, 2007 1:20 PM
I hope someone remembers those words when you get old and become a burden on others.
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Become old is not a choice. Having children is a choice.
I feel bad for said poster whose jealousy turns towards anger.
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Sure, very jealous that I have no idea that my 2 y/o old is running naked up and down Lee Avenue with a runny nose and my last pack of food stamps.
Anonymous said…
It is none of your damn business how many children other people have.
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True, until they become a burden on others.
June 26, 2007 1:20 PM
I hope someone remembers those words when you get old and become a burden on others.
Let’s be honest. Having nothing against large families, as mine is not small, it is much harder to keep track of 10 kids than it is 4. This has nothing to do with negligence, just a demographic issue.
They made a mistake, they didn’t watch carefully. B’H Nothing happened. Please don’t blame and have anger towards another. They aren’t losing their children twice a week! Maybe the poster who complained about family size can’t have a family and is therefore jealous. I feel bad for said poster whose jealousy turns towards anger.
To the poster who has a problem with large families:
I think your parents started their family planning one child too late
11:17 Thanks for a very eloquent and appropiate response! Keep it up! and let us hear you voice more often.
Wow, a lot of agendas;
1, I do not know the law but if a child is found wandering they should go by the book and check for abuse. In 99.9% of frum cases there will be no abuse but they would be in trouble if they missed something. I do not see anything more than being careful and responsible.
2, The parents are at fault. They may not be bad people but if they can not watch a child not to wander they are at fault. For the record, I slept better when I was a bochur than as a perent, that is life.
3, The decision of how many kids to have is a personal one, to clearly make this the issue is not fully correct. These stories are rare and I still do not k
now if they have many children.
I hope the parents learned a lesson and the extended family offers help when necesary.
anon 11:17
To the point
Thank you
Give us your comments more often
It is none of your damn business how many children other people have.
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True, until they become a burden on others.
The fact remains, 11 kids with a father and mother, stable home, is a better upbringing than 2 kids, with two divorces, step siblings, half brothers, and custody arrangements.
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True, but clearly this child’s parents fit into neither category.
According to state law, a municipal agency, regardless of level of training have the right to care for the patient. According to REMSCO protocol the first on scene takes control of the scene until someone higher arrives, but that does not give them automatic right to the patient.
Additionally, the child was in care of PD, so at that point it was not the parent’s choice, it was PD’s.
From REMSCO:
In accordance with the Regional Protocol on Coordination of Prehospital Resources, the highest level
prehospital provider from the EMS Agency which first arrives at the scene of a prehospital medical
emergency is responsible for coordination of patient care resources at the scene.
11:17 –
Well Said!!!
11:17 AM good job, smart response, and to the point.
11:17 –
A municipal agency does not have prioty on the scene.
The law is clear that the highest level of care on scene/medical control has priority in NYS. Also a big factor — who is on-scene and treating the patient first.
This case involves a minor and the EMS crew, as per the law, had taken custody of the child.
They acted properly and according to all the rules.
Yea i guess the muslims that multiply dont bother them because they know that the muslims hate them and us too so thats good enough for them even if it means being blown up by a radical muslim one day.
11:17 AM well said to the point, thanks
Dear 10:38
Have you the same hatred to the Moslem population that is multiplying far quicker than the Jewish population? Or some other minority groups, where children are born not knowing who their fathers are? Why are you so anti big families? If there are 2 competant parents, then who cares how many children there are? If the parents can’t cope, one child is too much. May K’lal Yisroel continue to multiply, we have alot of rebuilding to do, after Hitler Y”S wiped out 6 million.
According to the law, a municipal ems agency has priority on the scene, so technically, EMS did not have to release the care to Hatzoloh.
However, their reason for not doing so is obviously because of an agenda, and not because of the care of the child. EMS wanted to make a bigger case out of the story than warranted. Children wander all the time, however in my experience, its only the frum parents that ever get charged with endagerment. I personally have been involved in many cases were not jewish kids wandered, and all police did was return the child to their parents. No EMS, no ACS, nothing!
The fact remains that we live in a society that still harbors anti-semitism. It is visible all the time.
To the poster about 1 of 11 kids, you are too pathetic to even warrant an itelligent response.
The fact remains, 11 kids with a father and mother, stable home, is a better upbringing than 2 kids, with two divorces, step siblings, half brothers, and custody arrangements.
Why don’t you take your socialist views, and go smoke some 420 on 5th ave while you march in the Gay pride parade.
so then why didnt you?
who cares what EMS says its the patients choice.
Yes tey asked us to get involved