Washington – Wall Street Journal: Respected Russian Professor Predicts U.S. Will Fall Apart Due To Civil War

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    Igor PanarinWashington – For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument — that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. — very seriously. Now he’s found an eager audience: Russian state media.

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    In recent weeks, he’s been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. “It’s a record,” says Prof. Panarin. “But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger.”

    Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

    But it’s his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin’s views also fit neatly with the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

    A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

    “There’s a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur,” he says. “One could rejoice in that process,” he adds, poker-faced. “But if we’re talking reasonably, it’s not the best scenario — for Russia.” Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

    Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

    In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin’s ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country’s top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin’s English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.

    Mr. Panarin’s apocalyptic vision “reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today,” says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. “It’s much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union.”

    Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin’s predictions. “Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people,” says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin’s theories don’t hold water.

    Mr. Panarin’s résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB’s successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.

    The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are “classified.”

    In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

    “When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise,” he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. “They didn’t believe me.”

    At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.

    He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

    California will form the nucleus of what he calls “The Californian Republic,” and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of “The Texas Republic,” a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an “Atlantic America” that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls “The Central North American Republic.” Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

    “It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time.” A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. “It’s not there for no reason,” he says with a sly grin.

    Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia’s biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt “a pyramid scheme,” and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington’s role as a global financial regulator.

    Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama “can work miracles,” he wrote. “But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles.”

    The article prompted a question about the White House’s reaction to Prof. Panarin’s forecast at a December news conference. “I’ll have to decline to comment,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.

    For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino’s response was significant. “The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully,” he says.

    The professor says he’s convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union — 15 years beforehand. “When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him,” says Prof. Panarin.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    when you wish upon a star…

    mordy
    mordy
    15 years ago

    I think a lesson we could learn from this article is how quick things can change. Here is someone predicting that the strongest country in the world can disappear in just a year. If something negative can happen surely some very good things can happen as well. The Ramabam writes “We need to look at the world as half good deeds and half bad deeds One good deed can change the entire world for the better”

    Allan
    Allan
    15 years ago

    Interesting reading …written by a educated nut case…give me a break.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    He is a former KGB analsyt, an organization who previously during the 1900’s has been known to have forged the most infamous anti-semitic diatribe, “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”. If you think about it, it sounds very similar to the breakup of the Soviet Union which it has been modeled after. Not suprisingly, just more BS and propaganda from the the current KGB in Russia, the FSB.

    National Inquirer
    National Inquirer
    15 years ago

    National Inquirer is full of shtusim-predictions which are 99% wrong but on rare occasion where one accidentally turns out right, he becomes “news” of “I told you so”.

    If two idiots predict next years weather for today, where one will predict precipitation and the other says the opposite, then one of the two idiots will surely be right, not because he knows what he is talking about but because when you flip a coin there are only two possibilities so every idiot can be right 1/2 the time.

    deepthinker
    deepthinker
    15 years ago

    The world is slowly being prepared for the coming of Moshiach–very soon.

    This startling information, broadcast worldwide, is part of the process of “disengagement.”

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Hahaha! This is the most rediculous and pathetic piece of propaganda that I’ve heard in a long time.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Another embittered Russian.The russians should be given a medal as the most sour nation on earth! The sad part is they care little about their own fellow russians.Shame on them.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The way the KGB (nowadays the FSB) has always operated is that they take facts and weave them together in BS so that it sounds coherent and logical even though it does’nt quite make sense when you think a little more deeply about it. But that’s how propaganda is created and the Russians are experts at it.

    Doubtful
    Doubtful
    15 years ago

    I thought that bit about all this occuring due to a decline in American “morals” was amusing. The US ain’t poifect, but compared with the deviance and complete amorality (lack of morals) of Europe, we’re a a nation of saints.

    For example, did you know that the abortion rate in Russia is….take a seat…SEVENTY PERCENT!! As well as a lack of morals, this means that, in a few short years, the Russian population won’t be able to sustain itself, to feed itself, to defend its borders, etc.

    The other issue, immigration, while a problem here, is a HUGE problem in Europe, where the flood of Arab immigrants is threatening to tear the continent apart.

    And while the economic collapse is obviously a problem here, America has actually been least hurt by it in the global stage.

    Also, the prediction of a “civil war” is silly. Fighting requires some basics of military training…who’s giving lessons? who’s passing out the weapons? which civilians are taking up arms to join the battle??

    Shimon
    Shimon
    15 years ago

    As Sergei Rogov says, “Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people.”

    PollyPocket
    PollyPocket
    15 years ago

    Well, lets all move to Russia then. Life is just so great over there.

    Positive
    Positive
    15 years ago

    My freinds.. This garbage is the old classic hypnosis pep-job. Feed the people long enough negative and it will eat into their bones. Don’t read or focus on this garbage or your in serious need of a faith transplant!

    analyst
    analyst
    15 years ago

    smells to me like whishfull thinking, yet the dangerous part is not what he predicts rather by some beleiving that this could happen, which is tottaly out of reality.

    Jordan
    Jordan
    15 years ago

    His analysis appears flawed in an important way: his logic holds that “When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union.”

    I know he is a Russian political scientist, but it is sloppy of him to make a significant error in claiming that in the U.S. funds flow from the states to Washington; when in fact, Washington gets its money primarily from individual and corporate income taxes and tariffs and gives a lot of it to the states.

    And why would Mexico be more influential that Texas and a group of other former U.S. states? The Texas economy is currently the 15th largest economy in the world, and is larger than the Mexican economy.

    The current U.S. order could quickly erode, but not for these reasons and not in this way.

    Rippin Pinchas
    Rippin Pinchas
    15 years ago

    “It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time.” If that is the case, England can lay claim to the 13 colonies and France to the Louisiana territory and Texas will revert bac to the Lone Star Republic.

    With dufases like Panarin, no wonder why Russia is as pathetic as it is.

    I suggest that Northwestern Russia will join Finland, Southeastern Russia will fall under the influence of Mongolia, which will be a superpower in 2010.At that point, the new Central North American Republic will attack it. The violence will escalate so much that the California Republic will feel threatened and unleash a barrage of surfboards at Mongolia and quella the crisis.

    I am going to the mailbox to check for an invitation to the Kremlin.

    Rachael
    Rachael
    15 years ago

    all you commentators in denial should wake up and move to Eretz Yisrael before its too late!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    what he says is irrelevant. but would you have believed him if he had said that the twin towers would fall down? Hashem rules the world and should America crumble and go the way of the Babylonians and Romans we’ll be the least surprised.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    You mean we will jump the fence and go to Mexico while the Mexicans are jumping over to come to the USA?

    he has a point
    he has a point
    15 years ago

    Imagine if, Chas V’shalom, the US suffered a number of nuclear explosions in a number of its cities over a short period of time. There are many who are livid about the lack of self defense that is apparent now. Then they would feel that they have to take over the government by a coup in order for America to survive.

    Many people would look for scapegoats to blame for the disaster and spontaneous violence could break out. Especially, if economic conditions continue to deteriorate, there are many pressures that could build up great rifts among different factions in the population.

    Immigration pro and con would become a violent issue. Muslims would be in great danger especially if the explosions could be traced to Jihadis.

    We Jews are blamed by many for nothing already. We have to pray to Hashem to keep America safe and keep shloma shel malchus. May Hashem yisborach continue to protect us and provide us with Shalom.

    Totosha
    Totosha
    15 years ago

    Russia would lose immensely if US suffered a major blow like that, and they know it very well, even if they don’t like to admit it. Even if the US, or any other large federation, would disintegrate, chances of the new “pieces” joining Russia of all options are negligible, since Russia is doing a heck of a screwy job managing their current vast land. Last thing they need is more territory or more resources.

    That said, one should remember that in 1984, if someone would suggest that Soviet Union would rapidly crumble apart in just six-seven years, he would’ve been laughed at or even suggested to see a psychiatrist. And Soviet Union had way more leverage over its citizens then the US will ever do. So never say never and prepare for the worst.

    On the upside of things, if USA would split and pieces would form a looser confederation, they could finally start a real war on terror, Gaza-style. Since nobody would be to blame, “we” could carpet-bomb Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran until there is no cave left without smoke coming out of it …