Ra’anana, Israel- A new halachic ruling by 170 Orthodox rabbis says seculars can now visit during Shabbat meals.
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YNet.news.com (http://bit.ly/YXOykM) is reporting that the Beit Hillel rabbis decided to change the situation in order to allow religious parents whose children have become secular to invite them over on Shabbat.
Rabbi Ronen Neuwirth, Director of the Beit Hillel, explained the logic behind the halachic ruling, “When your intention is for the sake of the mitzvah, for example to introduce your guest to a proper Shabbat, it changes the picture.”
According to Beit Hillel Chairman, Rabbi Meir Nehorai, “We feel responsible also for torn families which have children who have left religion, or seculars seeking to get closer. We’re not looking to violate halachic tools, but to stretch the band as far as the Halacha lets us.”
Video below of the ruling.
The full ruling here (http://bit.ly/YKyQdQ)
Do they own the Torah so they could make their own rules?
The Torah says Mechalelau Mois Yimos, How can they say different. There is no Halacha that if someone becomes secular they may do whatever they want.
Well this is going to completely change my life !
the guy on the left sounds just like rabbi auerbach,elyashiv,and feistein without even a yarmulka- let alone an education.
next week we bring the Heter to intermarry because that to is a way to find some non jews who want to become jewish.
mixed swimming
tenage sex – hey why not
good things can be accomplished so lets do it.
beit hillel thank you
100% Mitzvah habah b’avairah. Its a case of 170 conservative rabbis that never spent a Shabbos together with frum Yiddin. A disgrace!
their isn’t any reason why a none observant rc”l shouldn’t be allowed to visit his parents, in fact its a mitzvah, even eisov was rewarded for that mitzvah.
What a busha they are no different than conservative rabbis who allow everything even the internet
Isn’t it a little late in the week for Purim Torah?
The headline is misleading–it’s not that the seculars can visit, it’s that there’s no issur on the religious to invite them. Of course it’s ossur for them to come.
In any case, the psak has a lot of opinion going against it. Rav Moshe was totally opposed to that line of reasoning, and Rav Auerbach allowed it only when done by a kiruv organization. Rav Lichtenstein, in the modern camp, also only allowed it when done by a kiruv organization. It seems these rabbis are going out on a limb, on their own.
Rav Moshe Feinstein mattired this decades ago. He based it on shach that there is no lifnei iver for someone who normally commits such an act anyways. The chidush is not their kulla now, the chidush was the blind uninformed chumrah till now.
Who are the Beit Hillel Rabbis? Is their smichah from Israeli gedolim? Are they actually conservative? Without all this info, this report is totally unclear.
I did not see in the article any indication that the Rabbi said that it was permitted to invite secular parents even if they would be mechalel Shabbos to get there, only that it is permitted to invite them for a Sabbos meal. In Ra’annah, everyone is walking distance anyway.
I remember when I was a rov in a shul out of town, I discussed this issue with a well-known Chassidishe Rebbe from Williamsburg. He told me to directly invite secular people to shabbos davening and
Grow up people. You can’t force your views on everyone else. If your kids drive on Shabboss, it’s a mitsvah to keep them close amd be mekarev them. Do you think by not inviting them on Shabboss that you will be bringing them closer to Torah?
We were told working in kiruv to stay with ypu or close by in order not to drive. If they stay with you provide them things such as a Shabbos light, diaper that tapes were open, cut toilet paper or tissues, any metal caps on bottle that needed to be open. etc etc, including separate beds for husband and wife
I do not see why one cannot invite secular people for a Shabbos meal. Nowhere in this article does it mention that they are allowing driving.
Are all the people who are writing negative things implying that one cannot have a secular Jew for a Shabbos meal?
Many Rabonim and Regular folk acting according to the wishes of their Rabonim have been inviting frei people for years. I don’t see what the big deal about a group of Rabbis getting together and saying its Mutar, they are just following many established precedences. Obviously, not everyone shares their opinion, but why should that stop them?
I heard from a close talmid that Rav Gustman a”h held it was mutar to invite mechalelai shabbos to a shabbos seudah for kiruv even though the participants will drive there and back.
From the Beit Hillel web site:
“What is the role of the women of Beit Hillel? Women have the same role as men in Beit Hillel. They are equal partners in all the discussions and the positions that Beit Hillel takes. They have an equal vote on every matter and have representation on every committee of Beit Hillel. We have decided to call them “Rabbanit”; nevertheless, we are not giving them rabbinical ordination.”
So much for “Orthodox” “Rabbis.”
Torah-observant Rabbanim make a Psak based on careful analysis of Halacha.
They don’t take a vote by committee with women “Rabbanit.”
The Ynet News article talks about Beit Hillel allowing secular people to drive on Shabbos, not about inviting secular people for Shabbos while making sure that if they have to travel, they arrive BEFORE Shabbos.
one is permitted to invite secular yidden for shabbos as long as they have the possibility of getting there without being mechalel shabbos(even if at the end they drive that is not your problem) however if there is no way they can get there without driving then it is ossur, and i don’t mean possibility = an hour walk. gotta be reasonable, i guess if they live half hr. approx, walking distance..
the article did not even address the driving issue and they might have assered that straight away
Much of the article is misleading……there is NO issur per se to having non-frum guests on shabbos. The only shaylah is whether you should invite them if you know 100 percent they will drive. If they live within a few miles and will walk over for a shabbos meal, there is no issue, other than some rabbonim with too much time on their hands.
This appalling new halachic ruling by 170 Orthodox rabbis says seculars can now visit during Shabbat meals is terrible, really shrecklich.
After all, who knows what it could lead to? Even mixed dining is a possibility!
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