BROOKLYN (VINnews) – Recently there was news that The Supreme Court of New York State issued a restraining order in favor of the parents of children from the Bais Yaakov D’Chassidei Gur whose children were suspended from the school after their fathers attended the gatherings of Rabbi Shaul Alter in Brooklyn last week.
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The officials of the GUR school released today an explanation and clarification on their position to why they expelled the students.
read below there full statement (PDF)
Bais Yaakov Gur Clarification (1)
I am astonished at this letter. It fails to define “Gerrer chinuch” in any terms, except allegiance to the Rebbe. To be frank, this is bothersome, maybe worse. Since when is the ultimate goal of a school to promote the Rebbe? Should all chinuch be only about promoting Avodas Hashem? And if someone has a different minhag, are they less? Something here is terribly misguided. The examples provided in this letter sound almost comical. So girls turned away from viewing a video of the Rebbe’s chasunah. So kids should be in the streets better? Sorry, but this is disgraceful. No school should tell me whether I can attend any tish to hear divrei Torah. The machlokes began before Reb Shaul came to America. And if the Ger community is ashamed that it was stooping to the civil wars that plagued a few other camps, they could have easily avoided it.
Further, if I may, it took them merely hours to chuck innocent children out to the street but over two weeks to respond. Not cuttin the mustard in my book. It remains a shameful thing and a serious blemish on what many thought to be an upstanding organization.
As the saying goes,” you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time!
Interesting to note that somehow, despite their animosity, Bobov figured out a way to keep the girls from the opposition and still managed to instill their unique Chinuch brand. C’mon man – its תשפ”ב – time to grow up and facilitate more advanced conflict resolution techniques…
Nice try but cheap shot and lies lies lies.
1) R Shual is not a “different mehlach” . He is the son of the pnei memachim and follows the same ger principals. Does a girl learn byun vs bkyuis even? The two have the same Gera approach on everything.
2) R shual never mocked the reba and that’s a lie.
3) just because someone went to his tisch, that doesn’t mean he mocks the whole chisdush or reba.
4) I bet the incident was like with one girl who mocked the reba while 99% had no interest either way. I don’t believe that too many girls care. Because a girl didn’t make a tznuis About the rebas chasana ? Oy vey what a “different mehlach”. This is baloney
5) where did they get this yesod that when parents are not on the same mehlach they damage the school? That’s such baloney. As long as their frumkiet is the same, there is no damage .
Bottom line is ger is in the dog house. The whole charedi world looks at you as power hungry people who can’t Fargin someone else within to have charisma. And you stoop low to kick girls with the same mehlach out. You guys don’t have one gadol suppprting you. As the kotzka said der velt shtinkt. And I’ll say ger shitinkt in grosin
“Internal matter” the same exact words used by China regarding locking up innocents. Unsigned letter so who actually wrote this in English? I’ve never seen a Rosh yeshiva like reb shaul with such broad appeal he is the definition of acdus may he succeed
The issue is the way they did it,
If you have a problem work it out like a Yid and like a human, call down the parents, sit with a representative of the other side, and make a deal how to handle this till the end of the year.
The biggest issue here is, that the way Gur is handling it is,
There is no other side, they are not talking and negotiating with the other side, they have one method, and it’s called power.
They are just not treating the other side like Humans and for sure not like Jews.
The stories that we hear from split families ETC, is all the same situation they are just not treating the R Shuel people as humans.
Silly excuse, bundling what some 3-4 girls did with what the majority did not do. The majority of Reb Shaul remained silent and did not want to split away, they wanted to wait this out while enjoying reb shauls light spirited and loving approach to yiddishkeit.
As the local non-Jew, this is beyond my understanding. Why in the heck would these leaders want to divide their community into even smaller groups? Surely safety and peace comes from uniting. How did the state courts become involved in this?
As I say so often lately, it seems to me people ought to calm down.
Why is aguda helping 1 side the rebbe vs the other side
Why do Rabbis tell the people to go to bais din and the chasids go to secular courts?
Any one that learned chumash rashi knows the story of the sdom betel if you don’t fit into our mold and worship our idol the gerrer rebbe you are out and we will shecht you in public.
It’s a chillul shem shomayim that supposed so called chasidim gerer yingatches are suspending children from school for petty reasons.
This school will close because they have blood on their hand.
The demise of the current Ger Jihadi regime is coming to a bright halt!
Look at the example Ger is setting. If there’s someone you disagree with, not only can you throw him out of weddings and jobs, you can go after the children too. כת של רשעים
Basically Ger has become a “either fit in and tow the line or get out” group. There is NO room for being true to your individual talents unless it is to make money and donate to the Ger Rebbe.
Sad place to be stuck in…..
Completely missing is, why did gur come to the point where R Shual chasdim feel disenfranchised? What came first the chicken or the egg? So let’s say they never chucked the rosh yeshiva and never bullied people in ey for going to hear Torah from the RY. Would parents resent it now? You guys inflicted your own pain and continue to precipitate this and antagonise it by these actions.
Now what if gur just digs out of this mess by ending the bullying of those attending the rosh yeshiva ? What if make believe one can attend both tishim and nobody cared like in skulen or rachmtsrivk. Would there still be people mocking the reba? In other words once you are bullied you tend to not like the bully. Why can’t gur get up and say we respect both sides and are no longer mocheh against the rosh yeshiva ? Everyone is free to follow what works best and are still welcome here.
“Recently there was news that The Supreme Court of New York State issued a restraining order” This news is not found anywhere outside of VIN…
“The Supreme Court of New York State issued a restraining order” Where was this reported? A google search comes up blank
As starters perhaps they should get their spelling corrected . Is it Gur or Ger . Looks like they can’t decide.
So if you had any doubts the letter clarifies the suspicion. Thanks!
Any of the knowledgeable and educated mumchim offering their opinions in favor of either side of this topic actual members of the Ger chasidus?
If yes, get the heck off the treif internet.
If not, get your worthless opinions off the internet.
You’re just a bunch of talmidov shel korach looking to be marbeh machlokes in klal yisroel.
Phonies on both sides!
Suddenly it’s acceptable to have videos of young women. Staged and scripted videos to malign a group that doesn’t EXACTLY follow another’s cult leader is deplorable as much as it is infantile.
וְכִֽי־יָג֧וּר אִתְּךָ֛ גֵּ֖ר בְּאַרְצְכֶ֑ם לֹ֥א תוֹנ֖וּ אֹתֽוֹ׃
Both are cults : “Shalom Bayis Takanos “. Nuff said .
Chabad and Satmar and Belz would never allow girls to remain in their schools if these girls purposely turned around when a video of their respective Rebbe was showing.
So good to see ‘shalem bayit’ in the frumkeit velt…oy…
Let the action begin!!
is there a way to verify this letter? Or is it another smart way to get the “tzibur” confused.. like the robocalls.
Their school, their rules. If you dont like it, leave it. As a girl who went to a “bais yaakov” school that enforced tznius, there were girls who flaunted the rules and got away with it as their parents were big donors. Today every one of those women do not follow the schools derech. Parents cant expect the school to teach if their homes give mixed messages. . If the school has a rule and you dont like it, find another one.
Look at that! There actually is another side to the Ger situation.
This was very well written!! It’s good to hear the school’s side of the story. How tragic it is that these parents are corrupting their children like this! Our מוסדות don’t need trouble makers like these.